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Episode 103 – Review of Netflix show Getting Organized with The Home Edit

In this episode Lesley and Ingrid are talking about the new Netflix series Getting Organized with The Home Edit. Everyone has been talking about the show and it’s been interesting to read all the different ideas and opinions.
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Intro  0:07  
Welcome to today's episode of The declutter of podcast, your channel for super easy, no nonsense advice on how to declutter and organise your home. Please welcome your hosts professional organisers, Ingrid Jansen and Lesley Spellman.

Ingrid  0:31  
Hello, and welcome listeners to Episode 103 of the declutter hub Podcast. I'm Ingrid. And I'm Lesley. If you have clutter and want to sort it out, this is the show for you. Now, in today's episode, Lesley and I are talking about the new Netflix series getting organised with the home edits. Everybody has been talking about the show. And it's been interesting to read all the different ideas and opinions. Now Lesley and I have of course, been watching the TV series, and I've now seen episodes one to four. How about you, Lesley?

Lesley  1:08  
I am one to four as well. So that means I have seen Reese Witherspoon with a spoon she's called I think it's not what I was wanting to call her with a spoon with a spoon. Eva Longoria. Khloe Kardashian. And who's the other one

Ingrid  1:24  
the lady with that loves to fashion, the fashion designer.

Lesley  1:27  
I didn't know her no, no who know her but the lady who loves the fashion?

Ingrid  1:31  
Yeah. So basically what they're doing is every show every episode, they have a celebrity. And then they have shall we call it normal people? What do we say Lesley? I mean, people who are just have a house and they are not celebrities. They're not famous. So I think we've seen a walk in wardrobe. We've seen a garage. We've seen a kitchen. And we've seen another wardrobe that nearly turned into a whole bedroom revamp, wasn't it?

Lesley  2:01  
And it's been good fun. And but it's been interesting to watch because obviously we have our own Facebook community. We have our own community within our membership, and we are part of it other decluttering communities as well. So we see a lot about of what's going on and what people are thinking. And I think it's fair to say views are fairly polarised, aren't they?

Ingrid  2:19  
Yes, it kind of reminded me a little bit about the Marie Kondo series that came out about just under two years ago now. And everybody it was like the famous English Marmite you either love it or you hate it, there's hardly any, in the middle is there?

Lesley  2:37  
I know. And I think this is the same. And we, you know, we try to have an open mind. And I guess that we look at things perhaps in a slightly different way as professionals because ultimately, the two ladies who do that are clear and Joanna. That's right. It's not clear and Joanna, they are very successful professional organisers, aren't they? So they do the same job in principle, as we do don't know. So it's interesting for us to watch it,

Ingrid  3:01  
we kind of geek out on any organising decluttering interior design show nice homes. We love it, don't we? We do.

Lesley  3:11  
And so we've been talking about it. So as soon as we watched the first show, so we both watched it by chance. But it wasn't that much by chance, really, because it was just started up on Netflix that week. So it wasn't unusual that we might have picked it up. So we both ended up watching the first show on the same night. And then instead of working, our procrastination was We spent an hour the next day when we should have been doing something else, of course, talking about the hermetic show. And I'm like, we need to do a podcast on this. And so that's what we're here to do to talk about how the show has been done and how that differs to the way that we do things. And generally what we think and what other people think of it.

Ingrid  3:48  
Well, Lesley, my first impression was, I wanted to have a house like this. I live in a tiny house. I mean, okay, not a tiny house, but I don't have a very large house. And I was like, wow, I would absolutely love to have a walk in wardrobe. I mean, probably all the clothes that my whole family owns would fit in that closet. But it was very, the houses are very impressive, aren't they? They're so I mean, it's all filmed in the United States. There's very, very large houses there. And I think secretly, we're all a little bit jealous.

Lesley  4:26  
Maybe we some of us are jealous, as some of us absolutely will not be jealous. And that's the interesting thing about it. So the first thing that I wanted to say really was that one of the things that we are absolutely big advocates of here at the declutter hub is we operate in no judgement zone. And so in the same way that we wouldn't judge anybody in terms of the clutter that they've got in their house or the way they're organising their homes. I don't really want to sit here and judge celebrities for having those houses and those closets and those volumes of clothes. Because ultimately that's their lie. really hard, isn't it? That's where they're making their money. They're making their money. Because people like us love seeing them in a new dress on the red carpet. Not everybody loves it. Of course they don't. But some people a fair amount of people love celebrities and what they offer in terms of the dream so that those volumes of clothes, those sizes of closets, those lovely, beautiful homes, they come with the territory, don't they? Yeah, I

Ingrid  5:25  
think so too. And if I look at Everlong gorgeous house, I would expect a nice house because she's a very famous actress who's been going for a very long time. She's been super successful. I would not expect her to have a tiny little cabin somewhere in the woods. You know, I know she's in Hollywood in a gigantic mansion. And we all have a bit of a sneak peek into somebody else's cupboards and closets and garages, don't we? Yeah,

Lesley  5:51  
well, I do anyway, I love it inside Eva Longoria is home. And I love seeing Reese Witherspoon's off costumes from other shows she's been and it's fascinating, isn't it? And that's what we really have to remember about this. This is a TV show designed to entertain people. It's not necessarily that it does have an educational part to it. Of course it does. As all reality TV does more than anything else. It's an entertainment show. And that's what we've got to remember.

Ingrid  6:18  
And you know, probably a you know, this, you know, as well as I do. And we've been talking to professional organisers who in the UK here have been on television as well. In the end, they cut out so much stuff that you what you see is 45 minutes of entertainment, while they probably have 16 or 24 or 40 hours of film, to cut down to an edit to a 45 minute show.

Lesley  6:46  
Yeah, and of course, even before the other 10, the producers will want to deliver that show in a certain way. So as their professional organiser or whoever is on a show, it may not be completely representative of what you want to do. But you're kind of beholden to other people because they're producing the show, I guess. So yeah. So first of all, no judgement zone. We're just jealous. We want her own TV show. Do we agree? One day, I just don't think we've quite got the kind of clear and Joanna glamour to be honest with you. But maybe we might be. Oh, was. Is that? Is that really sad to say that they were probably a little bit old for a Netflix show?

Ingrid  7:25  
I think I mean, I know that on TV, you gained like 10 pounds for just being on TV. And I'm thinking I probably need to lose like five stone before I'm even allowed.

Lesley  7:37  
Yeah, it's not good. Yeah, it's not good. Let's not go there. But if any TV producers are listening, engage our services. We're more than happy to take pa as long as we can do it in our way, which we're going to talk about now. Yeah,

Ingrid  7:50  
yes, yes. I think the only the other thing that I also want to say Lesley is a lot of people that have been watching the show have been talking about the amounts of baskets and containers and plastic things they've used to make it look pretty and everybody was saying, but there's already so much plastic, there's already so much going on. So I think the consumerism and the amounts that people have in their houses, I think that's I think what's given the really the I'm I love it, or I hate it kind of vibe, hasn't it?

Lesley  8:26  
Yeah, definitely the consumerism in terms of the plastic, the unnecessary plastic, then I guess, and also the consumerism in terms of the huge volumes of clothing and shoes and that kind of thing. But again, I guess that comes with the territory, to be fair, and then a lot of celebrities will do nice things with those, and we'll give them away and will auction them off to charity. So there's another side to that as well, isn't that and of course, Reese Witherspoon is not going to let go of all those things because they're sentimental items aren't. So all those dresses for the show are her equivalent who was wearing a dress when we'd got engaged or whatever. So they're her sentimental item. She's just got kind of a lot of them I guess.

Ingrid  9:03  
You know, I think the doctor in the first episode had a really really, I mean, they even fitted a chair in there and, and a rug and the new curtain said and they put islands in. Even the people who were not celebrities had so many items, didn't they? Yeah, they did.

Lesley  9:21  
So consumers Miss definitely something that's part of the show. I think let's let's leave it at that. Yep. People presumably are going to be quite interested in thinking about what we think of their methodology. So we did our podcast on Marie Kondo, and it's fair to say Marie Kondo is much more about decluttering and she is organising. So the Marie Kondo show is definitely got that decluttering angle, whereas this show is getting organised. So it's all about the organising and not about the decluttering. So what do we think about Joanna and Claire's methodology Ingrid?

Ingrid  9:55  
Interestingly enough, a lot of the things they mentioned we do You too, you know, they were talking about, you need to create zones you need to put like with like, to make it easier to find items containerize it, set yourself a goal, what are you trying to achieve? So a lot of things that I see coming back in the show we used to.

Lesley  10:20  
So the fact of the matter is that Joanna and clear are professional organisers, you know, accomplished professional organisers, they've been doing this for many years, it's just that they have a slightly different client base. Well, not a slightly different, a very different. And I would say in terms of the celebrities that they have worked with, and probably more top end and wealthy clients. And so we love their methodology. Yeah,

Ingrid  10:45  
I mean, they talk a lot about getting the uniform hangers, and that's something that we really know works as well. Of course, they probably take very fancy hangers, were like, Okay, there's other hangers available that don't have to cost so much. But you having a uniform hanger in a wardrobe really, really makes your wardrobe look much better. So that's something that came across from the series. I personally really enjoyed seeing some of the ideas how they hang their handbags, the different hangers that they use the hooks that they use, I thought that was really clever things like in the jewellery, they didn't know jewellery sorting, they use some stackable the stickers, there's their trays that you can stack on top of each other. Whether they all have the kind of sorting out, it's really all about organising, isn't it about visibility, about using clear container, so you can see what's in there. They just have a really knack to it. And they know how to make it absolutely stunning, with all the clear see through containers, but the whole idea about being able to find something so then you can use it. That is very, very much what we feel as well.

Lesley  11:56  
So yeah, so actually, I love their methodology. And I thought it all made sense, every time a tip came up on screen, it would be a tip that we would give us Wow. So and they

Ingrid  12:06  
said something really interesting. Lastly, then they they said it's either the item or the space, very few people get both.

Lesley  12:15  
But let's talk now about different approaches. So there are elements of the show that they the way that they have been working on or shown to be working on the show, that would be different to the way that we would work. So let's talk about that now.

Ingrid  12:31  
Yes. So what I must admit what I missed a little bit in the show. And I was surprised about that, because they actually they're called the Home edits. So I thought it was going to be more about editing. And in their system. They also mentioned edit as one of the main components in doing a wardrobe or a garage in a room in your house. But edit part was really, really betrayed very briefly in the show. So you did see them ask their clients a couple of times, where do you want to keep the show can go and they were they were showing with five or six items. And then they basically said to either the celebrity or the person, you can go now it's fine, we'll do it all for you. But for me, that's like the most important thing in the whole decluttering. And organising and storing process is to actually be involved in the decision making and helping my clients and helping our members to make those decisions. What is important, what needs to stay and what can go. And I have a feeling they did it all for them. And I really miss that.

Lesley  13:34  
The thing that really struck me Ingrid is honestly be honest here. If you did a quick five minutes with somebody at the beginning of a session and they said, oh, actually this skirt can go and that blouse can go and those shoes can go What do you remember, once they've walked out of the room? Would you remember that? I have to go we go through one item at a time and make a decision on it, it gets put in the right place, whether that's a charity or a key or categorise or whatever that is. I wouldn't remember what somebody said nine o'clock in the morning if I was approaching that item at two o'clock in the afternoon. And so I would have to have the client there. And ultimately, there needs to be ownership of that decision from the client and the needs to be a big part of what we do is this transfer of skills. And so we're not just wanting to be there all the time, when somebody wants to declutter, because we say all the time decluttering is not a project, it's a process. So even if we're working one to one with a client, we want them to know how to do it on their own after we have gone not that they you know, it's lovely. Of course it is and we do go back repeatedly to clients. But it's also lovely if we teach somebody in one session what to do, and then they can continue to do it on their own. So it's this transfer of skills and if people are not involved in that process of the decision making, how can they learn and be educated about the way forward

Ingrid  14:50  
and as a result of that maintain the system because they've not been involved in the setting up and the reasons why it sets up and I think all So, if they've only talked about maybe 10 items, do you want to keep it? Or can it go? But how do you as professional organisers? How do they make decisions about the other 1000 items that are in the room? If the clients not there. So for me, it almost seemed like, we're going to filter a couple of things out, but everything else is just going to be beautifully organised. And it looked absolutely stunning. Let's be honest here, it looked amazing. The cupboards looked amazing. But I'm just thinking I was just thinking all the time. How do they know what the client wants to keep? And what can go, and if they have made the decision for the client, what can go where's all that stuff gone? Have they got like a separate room in a corner in the room that didn't film or all the stuff is stacked up that they think the client doesn't want to keep? I'm like, intrigued by that. They were like, talking about well putting it away. And I'm thinking where they're putting it away, where in my house, I've got no room where I could put stuff away.

Lesley  16:03  
And that was a bit. I was a little bit disturbed by the term archive. Did you hear them talk about archiving things? And I was like, Huh, what does that mean? Archive does that mean, put it somewhere in a box and make a decision about it later. That's the impression that I got, I mean, they use the term archive, I think it was with the lady that was the fashion designer in the second show, wasn't it? They use the term archive, because they knew that she was very reluctant to let things go. And ultimately, in a home like that, she might have said, I don't want anything to go. And that's her prerogative, and then you can organise for a client. But as we said, this transfer of skills and this learning is going to be very different. But let's be honest with you, all of the people, let's say the celebrity part of the show, they are going to have staff working for them that are doing all that for them. So are they then involved on a day to day basis? In keeping track of their wardrobe? They're gonna have staff or lay? Yeah, they're gonna Well, that and so they're probably not managing those systems themselves. And so it's probably making a great system that the staff can then work with.

Ingrid  17:05  
Yeah, yeah. And also, I think the people in the show were not celebrities. They were still people that lived in quite large houses, weren't they? Yeah. So they're different than the people that we work with. I mean, I don't know if any of my clients would want to, you know, do the if they would want to spend 1000s of pounds on organising products, because those beautiful clear containers are quite expensive, you know, and we would maybe use one or two, but especially the beautiful walk in wardrobe with the doctor was tonnes of lazy Susans and see through containers and all beautifully labelled and that must have really cost a lot of money.

Lesley  17:54  
Yeah, exactly. I mean, every time I see them walk into the Container Store, I must I must admit, I'm absolutely envious Bill beyond MV because the Container Store if anybody's ever been there is like a professional organisers stream isn't it of all these beautiful organising products. And we don't have we do have things here, but nothing that brings it all together under one roof, like The Container Store, to be fair, so if the content store wants to come to the UK, please do come, because we'd love to see you here. But ultimately, what this is all about Ingrid, is that their target market and our target market in terms of the clients that we work with, and the members that we work with are completely different types of people. And so have I worked in homes that are worth millions of pounds? Yes, I have. But there's still that overwhelming that need for me to get involved and be involved in the process. I've not worked in a multimillion dollar home where they've said, Actually, Lesley, I don't want to be part of the process. I'm just gonna leave you to it. Because if anybody's ever said that, I don't do that. That's the not the type of job that I do. That's not my best work. I'm not there to do it for somebody, I'm there to do it with somebody. So we would walk away at that point, because that's not the way that we work. But that doesn't mean to say that nobody else can work in what in that way. There are organisers in the UK that work in that way and Far be it from us to say that doesn't work because obviously it does for other types of people. I think it really did morph as well into an interior design show at times even some of the some of the Organising products even though they weren't organising products to me, we're taking it to that next level of design, you know that I do some design work as well so that would definitely come towards the end more in the design side of things. Let's get a beauty instead of using this normal box let's get a beautiful box I would definitely class that as part of the design side of things as well. So um, what's not to like about somebody doing a makeover in a bedroom you know, we love interior design shows and we love makeovers don't we?

Ingrid  19:55  
Yeah, it was interesting because actually was watching with with with the kids they were happening to be In the living room as well, kind of half of watching, and my son said, it's a makeover show. It's not a decluttering show. And you know what, I enjoyed it at the same time. But I was thinking, Yes, this goes way beyond a decluttering and organising project that I would normally do. I don't have a handyman with me, or six girls that can help me kind of fold things beautifully. It's me who does it and I, I am not going to paint rooms with a team of people and get new curtains. That's not my thing. I'm more focused on the decluttering and organising. But I mean, it's, it was it's very aspirational, isn't it? It looks beautiful. When they

Lesley  20:39  
were doing, they were doing a kitchen one, and there was literally like eight people in the room at once. I think I'd be like, well, everybody needs to leave, I think it would take an organisational projects, and make it chaotic to have so many people involved, just to meet. And so I think it's chaotic. I mean, it's fine, because the client wasn't there. And they obviously know what we're doing and so on. And wouldn't it be lovely to just have a handyman on tap to put new things in and chop things off skirting boards to make things fit? It'd be fantastic. I mean, I do get handyman interchange things all the time. But it's not normally on the day I do the session, we normally identify that that needs to be done then do it later. Because I don't have somebody with me all the time, sadly. But yeah, so yeah, different type person, different type of need different type of home different type of budget, I think all of those things play a real part don't know,

Ingrid  21:28  
you know, what we just don't want to do is kind of go, you know, yes, this is the way to move forward. You know, this is the way it goes. When you hire a professional organiser, we are all about keeping it real, and breaking down the task. Of course, it's great to have aspirations of having a lovely house in a lovely room, but it won't happen overnight. It's not going to be perfect. You have to work with what you've got with the budget you have with the energy you have with the time you have. And within that you can build on that. And we've seen fantastic transformations within our membership of people, slowly but surely changing the way they think about their home about their stuff, identifying what's important to them, and then using that to change their home. And it's all starts to fall into place. But will it be as Instagram perfect as the show? Possibly not. But I don't think that's the end goal. I think it's all about being happy in your home.

Lesley  22:31  
Yeah, and I think the end goal is about you being happy. And then once you're happy once you've done a decluttering you've done the Organising, and you fall back in love with your house again, and we talk about this all the time, people get so disillusioned because of the clutter in their house, that they fall out of love. Now I hate my house, it's too small, it's full of clutter, I want to move, same principle, I just want to throw everything in a skip. Same principle, I just want to burn everything that I am here those things all the time. Because it gets so overwhelming for people that don't see a way out once the clutter has gone. That's when all of a sudden you start to see the light a little bit and then people start to fall back in love with their house again, then people then start to feel better about themselves. And at that stage, then they start to think about the design projects. They're decorating of the room, they're changing things up, they're getting a new kitchen, all that kind of stuff comes potentially later and not as part of the decluttering project

Ingrid  23:27  
exactly what you're saying, Lizzie, we see this happening with our members, isn't it with our VIP members, that changing the way of thinking and that is just so interesting. And they're learning from us. We're giving them the tools to to move forward with those projects and to go if they if something has happened, or it's gone wrong, or it hasn't gone perfectly, that's okay. Move forward. And that's I think, for us our greatest joy that we get from working with with VIP members, isn't it?

Lesley  23:59  
So we do have a very different style and approach to the home edit girls. And if that's something that you think yeah, I quite like that idea of mindset change, come and join our membership. We would love to have you on board when we Ingrid?

Ingrid  24:11  
Absolutely, absolutely. So, Lesley, we've now talked about the methodology of the home and we've talked about the different approaches. What are the things that we thought, Oh, no. Oh, no, we were watching and I was making some notes. I'm not gonna lie. I have a little notepad, but things that I thought oh, I would have done that differently. So have we got anything that we think if it was us, we would have done it differently. So is there anything that you picked up?

Lesley  24:38  
Yeah, I think the first thing that I wanted to talk about was when they were doing a kitchen Declutter. Now the kitchen declutter that they did was for a in inverted commas normal family. It was a cluttered kitchen. It was a very typical cluttered space that you and I would work with every day. But the thing that sort of struck me was they did something very similar to what they do. Did on the Marie Kondo show though, which was to advocate taking everything out of the cupboards all at once. Now that is hugely overwhelming. Now they had six people working on that project. So that could work. But if you're, if you're working at home on your own, never take everything out of your kitchen cupboards at the same time, do it one cupboard at a time, even if that means that towards the end of it, you think, actually, that stuff in that cupboard would work better elsewhere, you're better off to do it piecemeal, because you never quite know what's going to happen. In the course of a day, things happen, which mean that all of a sudden, at four o'clock, your child might come home from school, and then you're faced with the entire contents of your kitchen, all over your kitchen floor and work surfaces. So I found that very overwhelming. And I would not want to encourage people to do that.

Ingrid  25:49  
Yes, I fully agree. And I also thought because they took everything out of packaging, and put it beautifully into all of the containers. But I thought to myself, how are they going to keep that up? Where are they going to put all the stuff they're then going to buy? Are they going to take all of the packets out of all the boxes and put them all in the same auditor, you get a first in first out system, and the things that we talk about with our clients and in our membership. I missed that kind of that, that teaching of how you need to do that. And I don't take everything out of packets, Lesley, because I just would find that too much to do.

Lesley  26:30  
Exactly. And I think that's one of our jobs. And that's one of our roles as professionals. When we see people, we have to make a judgement as to whether that client would be able to maintain that system. Now, we're not saying that people can't change and can't learn. But ultimately, if you're coming from a place of complete chaos, which that kitchen was to be fair, how are you then going to go to some a system that's going to be super hard and difficult to be maintained meticulous and organised? And that's the problem. Somebody asked us, we've been doing a challenge or we come away and one of the questions that came up this morning was all about D counting serials into containers. And that's one of our things. Of course, it's going to work for someone who's highly organised and looks beautiful again. But are you the kind of person that has got the time and the inclination to repeatedly decam stuff into cereals and make sure that you've got that flow through where it goes to the bottom of the thing? And then you fill it up from the bottom? Then you're going to wash it in between? Are you that cat because that's an extra work? Ultimately, do we want to bring extra work into our lives is the question. So I was nervous that that family having come from the place that they're dead could jump straight to a super meticulous organised system. Let's move on to the garage declutter that we that was in episode two. It was episode two. There's a couple of things that I wanted to talk about based on that garage Declutter. First things first, garage sales. So that family wanted to do a garage sale, they're not done a garage sale for many years. So my question would always be, is that actually realistically going to happen? If I'm honest with you, garage sales are easier, the American style garage sale is much easier than the British style car boot sale. I'm not sure what they do in Australia, we've had this conversation before. I don't know whether it's a car boot or a garage sale. I'm guessing that it's more of a garage sale in Australia. I think it might be something to do with the weather. I don't know. I wonder why we have car boot sale and we had garage sales so much easier because you just bring it out of your garage and take it to somewhere, which is what we have to do. But anyway. So I would really question all that stuff. Again, all went into huge into these plastic boxes, and it was very beautifully organised. Which is to be fair, the reason why garage sales are a bit of a no no in my world, because you've got to be really organised and do a lot of work beforehand to do a garage sale to make sure things are organised. And so I would question that's part of it is that garage sale actually going to happen? And the other thing that really struck me Ingrid was Did you notice that every single one of those box was maximised perfectly in terms of storage? So it had the pair it didn't have half a box for it didn't have one box, one box full and a little bit extra on the top that didn't fit in the box. It had the perfect amount of stuff for every box which did make me wonder whether it might have been slightly staged I must admit.

Ingrid  29:25  
Yeah, I know I was like I always have loads of stuff that doesn't fit into boxes where's all of that stop gone? I mean, I did like their bike racks and I did like but the and also the labels were quite small and on the on all the boxes less the especially for a garage you know if it's high up because there's quite there was quite a whole shelving system that they build that the handyman build and it looks amazing but tiny, tiny labels and I was like okay, so then you come with your hands full of stuff for stuff you think needs to go to the garage sale as well. So how can you see then where you need to put it?

Lesley  30:03  
And then once everything's sold at the garage sales, then you've got tonnes and tonnes of empty, beautiful plastic boxes, haven't you? And then you have to sell that maybe you could sell those as well, like our So, yeah, those are the things. That's the things that struck me about the garage sale.

Ingrid  30:15  
Yeah, yeah. For me, the final thing that I want to mention is they were trying on a few bits and things like that. And I was like, Oh, I would never do that with my clients items. You know, I mean, they I'm assuming they had permission to to put from Reese Witherspoon to put her slippers on and take a selfie and to put the fur on and they're kind of you know, they? I don't know, it seems like sometimes they were just, they were very careful with this stuff. And other times, like when they found the box with the ashes. I was like, Oh, my goodness, what is she doing? And then she was like, almost like, Oh, what is this and kind of handling is quite Rafi. I'm always so careful with my clients items. And I try to not kind of empty a drawer and kind of start rifling through it. I'm far more gentle with taking it slowly. And I think she put a birth certificate in it in a sentimental box. And I was like, no, no, that needs to go into the office. No. Why are you putting this in a sentimental box? This makes no sense to me. Oh, shout at the television, Lesley.

Lesley  31:14  
I agree. So just jumping back to the to the train things on again. I think that it was probably for the show. It was probably for the show. Of course it was and I don't think they go around trying things. Actually, if we were trying things aren't we'd literally have to strip off in front of a client to put things on. And don't think that would go quite so well in the middle of a decluttering session, because they weren't with the client and we want to be so that would be a whole new connotation. The clients tries to find sometimes in front of us, but not the other way around.

Ingrid  31:46  
Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. You know what, in the end, it's entertainment. It's TV. You can see their good friends good on them. If Evelyn Gloria ever wants to declutter her cupboard, she can call me I will I will come to Hollywood not a problem.

Lesley  32:02  
Yeah, you're gonna go for free on Yeah, you did it for free, put it out there. Korea wants to do Santis wardrobe again, England is going to come to Hollywood for free to do

Ingrid  32:14  
it, you know, it's it's, it's just beautiful to see. And I I'm really enjoying it. And I will definitely, of course, finish the show. And there might be things that don't disagree with the other things, I think, Oh, that was a great idea. I hadn't thought about it that way. But I love it that they've incorporated the zoning and the categorising and fantastic beautiful storage. But, you know, it is what it is.

Lesley  32:39  
It is you know, the interesting thing is we've had a lot of calls this way with people mentioned in the show saying, do you do the same kind of thing as they do on the hermit? And am I on some calibre kJ? Yes, we do. But we do slightly more decluttering and slightly less boxes, basically. But yeah, of course it's the exact same thing, but it's a different thing. Are we going to come in and create that I don't want to people's expectations in a one bedroom flat to be dashed by the fact that we might not quite make it look like Reese Witherspoon's.

Ingrid  33:12  
I know I love I love using an empty shoebox that's not going to fly when they've just watched the whole method with beautiful containers that cost $28. Right and there's me guy, let's just use an empty shoebox for now until we really decide where it's gonna deliver your house.

Lesley  33:27  
Exactly. So it's good fun. And we just thought that everyone seems to be watching it at the moment that loves decluttering and organising polarised views. And we just wanted to put our viewpoint in there as well, didn't we Ingrid?

Ingrid  33:39  
Yep. Yeah, definitely. So I hope it's been helpful. I hope you've enjoyed hearing our point of view what we liked what we thought, okay, that's very different to what we do. These are a few bits that we thought, Oh, that's interesting. We hope you've enjoyed it. So that's it for this episode. So thanks so much for listening today. And if you think oh, my friend or my colleague or my family member needs to listen to the podcast as well. Do share our show with anybody who you think would love it too. On our show notes page on our website, you can find all the sharing buttons. If you want to have more handy tips and advice from Lesley now you can find us in lots of places. First of all, you can still join in our challenge the replay page, will we be up for the next week or so. So if you still want to join in, make sure you go to our website and sign up declutter hub.com forward slash reset challenge. And then you can still watch and find the workbook see all the videos that we've recorded and get more information about that. So do check that out. And we also have a fantastic Facebook group called the declutter hub community, and we're also on Instagram and Twitter as at declutter hub. If you think to yourself, you know what, I would love to start doing some decluttering and or organising in my house but I don't know where to start. That's where you need to come and join us in the VIP membership. We would love to see you there. Have a look on members dot declutter hub.com That's members dot declutter hub.com for all the information. And if you don't want to miss the next weekly episode, subscribe to the declutter hub podcast and it will pop into your notifications each Friday. We've been reading all of your reviews and absolutely loving it and we're so grateful for you for listening in every week. So thanks so much, and we'll see you next week.

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