Episode 400 – What we’ve said 400 times…and plan to say 400 more

Ingrid: Today we are celebrating a Milestone 400 episodes of the Declutter Hub podcast. That's 400 conversations about clutter, emotions, real homes, and real lives. we reflected on what that means, we realise there are certain things we've said and done again and again. not because we've run out of ideas, but because they work. These are the phrases, principles, and slightly ridiculous in jokes that have shaped this podcast and supported so many of you throughout the last seven and a half years. So today we are sharing the things we've said 400 times and fully intend to save 400 more.

Ingrid: Hello and welcome listeners. I'm Ingrid.

Lesley: And I am Lesley. Now, if you are here for the very first time today, or you've been listening in for ages, we want to say a huge thank you we have a little favour to ask.

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Lesley, it's a party today. It's a Party 400 podcast episodes of the Declutter Hub podcast. my goodness.

Lesley: It's a lot, isn't it? It's literally a lot. Do you know what I mean? And even though you and I are like the worst P people to do maths ever, we both know that. It's definitely 400 times that we've sat here. We've hit record on this podcast and it's. It's like a bit of an honor. When you said seven and a half years as well, there's two things.

Bit of a double whammy there. Seven and a half years and 400 episodes. It's not for the faint hearted, 400 podcast episodes.

Ingrid: With every milestone, like we try to got 300, 350, we think, oh gosh, that's another year. But when it's like 400 and you're gonna go, how many years is that? That's Between seven and a half and eight years. Like we started September, 2018. I remember this day, Lesley, I might sometimes not remember what I did yesterday or last week, but that first podcast recording here in our living room looking so young.

Lesley: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Young and excited and like hopeful. Do you know what I mean? yeah. We def we had no idea what we were, like, literally no idea what we were doing. Do you know what I mean? I still, we still haven't gone back and listened to episode one of, because we're too scared to, to listen to what we sound but people tell us it's okay.

So we obviously some. Doing something right. But anyway, so yeah, it's, a big deal. And before we even get started, want to say a huge thank you to those people who undoubtedly have listened to every single one of those 400 episodes. There are a lot of you out there, so I'm sure we'll be thanking you throughout this podcast.

But let's get started by saying that because it's all down to you that we're still here. 400 episodes and seven and a half years. can you imagine if you had a baby? And that baby was seven and a half years old? Do you know what I mean? That's like a lot, isn't it? Oh, I would, but anyway, today we were like, okay.

So we've done some fun things at those milestone episode things, haven't we? We've done, we've invited people in. We've had some very special guests. we've, we've done lots of different things to, to celebrate. But today we're like 400. It does seem a lot and we are sometimes like a bit of a broken record writing with, and so we were like, let's lean into that a little bit and talk about the things that we have undoubtedly said 400 times, but don't hold us to that exact figure.

'cause it might not be exactly 400. But metaphorically, 400, maybe even 4,000 times. The things that we have said and the things that we have done, and I'm sure that those AVID listeners, or even the ones that have just been with us a few episodes, will recognize that there are a lot of things that we say repeatedly and for good reason, Ingrid?

Ingrid: So important. I know, It does feel like, oh, are we gonna talk about this again? But it's like we know that's the basis of understanding decluttering and Organising and decluttering and Organising. It's so much more than just putting a few things in a bin bag or putting it in the recycling bin.

And as some, one of our, inter hub members recently said to us, it was only a couple days ago. I had no idea I could learn so much about Dishcloths and water bottles alone because there's a lot to it.

Lesley: Yeah, exactly. Only us could do 20 minutes on water bottles. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Alone, everybody else is yeah, just take your kitchen and go about it. We're like, okay. Let's get down to the nitty gritty of talking about water bottles 25 minutes later with that. still talking about it, but yeah.

So we're gonna, we're gonna talk about the core teachings of decluttering, which you have heard many times, and why they're so important to us, and then there might be a few things that we do. That hopefully resonate with you a little bit. So let's get cracking. Ingrid. So I think it's fair to say that we use the term or say the term reset quite a lot.

Is that fair? Is that fair?

Ingrid: Yes. just if you think about it, we've got our reset your home system. reset your Home Challenge. got a reset Your home roadmap. We even named our book, reset Your Home. it's like incredible, isn't it? It's like one of the things I think that once we decided upon that terminology, and it always makes me laugh, Lesley, because when I see it used in like other articles about other organizers, I'm like, ah, they've chosen our term.

You're always like. This is a term that multiple people use, but I think because I think we founded this term or something because we use it like day and night.

Lesley: Yeah, exactly.

Ingrid: It's like a bit like, yeah, but it's our term 'cause it's our book. Reset your Home, System. Reset your Home Challenge, reach your own roadmap. Everything hinges around a reset and. I think, we maybe before we were professional organizers or in the beginning of our journeys, we might have talked about tidying up and things like that, but I think resetting is such a fantastic word that I'm going to, we're going to claim it Lesley.

Lesley: We're gonna claim it. Yeah. Yeah. Copyright. We can, literally copyright it, can't we? Ingrid? yeah, I think it's really. One. And it's interesting actually, you talk about the book, which we in the end called Reset Your Home, unpack your Emotions and Your Clutter Step by step. But we I then in particular fought against that quite a lot.

I was like, oh, we can't the same reset your home again. We need to do something more clever. The publishers was like. But it, is what it does, what it says on the tin, right? And so in the end we were like, okay, let's just run with it. And and now we are very happy that we did But I think, just talking about, obviously that's our terminology, those are our systems.

And we talk about resets all the time. have you had a bad day? Do a reset and you get yourself back on track. Is your kitchen messy? It needs a reset. Have you fallen off track? You need a reset. And so yeah, we've definitely turned resetting into a lifestyle. And it's fair to say as well, Ingrid, a lot of people are like, what's a reset?

And so even though it is out there in the big wide world as a term in lots of areas of life, not just decluttering. a lot of people dunno what that means, but once you get it in your head and once you start doing it, then it's absolutely critical for your decluttering success. So yeah. So the term reset, I actually think we might say it 400 times just in this segment of the podcast.

To be fair, Ingrid. So we said we were getting and we said it 400 times, We've said it way more than 400 times, So possibly 4,000 or even maybe 40,000 if we're being really, honest. but I think the reason why we think it's so important, and we want that to be very much part of the Declutter Hub, is because resets really help you to remove shame to, to Get back on the wagon a little bit, sometimes mentally, physically, emotionally, and also break that all and nothing thinking, you can do a reset if we really stand behind the idea that. the success of a declutter, learning how to declutter is about understanding that decluttering is not linear.

Things are gonna come in your way that take you off track, and it's about your ability to get back on the wagon. That it, that's what it's all about. And it's got, oh, today I had a bad day. Lemme just reset and get myself back to where I was so, important. So yeah, resets are probably our favorite term ever, although we do have others.

Ingrid, which we're gonna talk about, and we make no apologies. For it. So we've said it 400 times or maybe 400,000 times. I'm just keep going, ramping it up with every single time I say it. Why not go for, should we go 4 million? and then, but we're gonna continue to say that term. So join us in our love of resets.

Ingrid: Yeah, definitely. And I think it is one of the most popular days as well in our reset your home challenge that we, also did in January. when we talk on day four, we talk about, resets and about daily resets and weekly resets, and it's very. Eyeopening for people because I think a lot of people don't even think about how that maintenance part, how doing some of the things every day just keep ticking you over so you don't fall back.

So it's an absolute crucial part of everything that we talk about. So yeah, reset is of course the number one, thing that we have to talk about in this 400. Episode Now, Lesley, there's also something else that we talk about a lot and that is. You have to do decluttering in small, manageable chunks because a lot of people who have clutter can end up with an all or nothing mindset, right? can't do it perfectly, or I can't spend this whole weekend, or I'm just, I've got no energy at all, So I, can't do anything. And we're like, hold on a minute. You are seeing this as a massive, like long journey of, climbing the Mount Everest here. But hold on, let's just do a couple of steps.

Let's just do a little bit, let's chip away at this slowly but surely you'll make progress and we talk a lot about that and I think it's a game changer for people. That doesn't mean. can only do five minutes, per day. But if that's the only thing you can do, that is fantastic. But if you're like, a day off and I wanna do three times five minutes, that's great as well.

So a small, manageable chunk doesn't always have to be okay. That's the only thing I can do. You can build it up over time, but learning to break a project down is crucial when you're faced with a lot of clutter in your house.

Lesley: So it's only when you break it down that you can then build it up again. So once you break it down into something that's manageable, then you can always add on more later. And that's what we we really sit behind. And so do we think that you can declutter your house in 10 minutes a day? No, we don't.

If you've got a lot of clutter to, to work through, but we think that's a great starting point. And as you get into your decluttering, as your decluttering muscle starts to build. Then obviously you can start to add more in or you can start to do it more consistently. How, however you choose based on your energy levels, based on your desire, your time, all of those kind of things fit in so small, manageable chunks is something that you will have heard us talk about many times.

And it is interesting when we would talk about it. 'cause sometimes I do find myself saying the irony. And there's irony in there Ingrid. 'cause we talk a lot about, because we are like, yeah, just break it right down. But we are long-winded. So anybody who listens, we, by virtue of having done 400 podcasts talking about decluttering, that means that we've got a lot to say on the matter.

And so we don't always, we try to. To break things down into a pattern, to a system, into a structure that's gonna work for you guys. So we do break things down, but once we get going, right with, we go deep, don't we? We go very deep because, talk about the water bottles a minute ago.

We've got a lot to say on that. And there isn't, there is a lot of things that are gonna make you. Determine which of your 25 water bottles that you've got cluttering up your kitchen. You need to keep, and depending on your family, depending on your lifestyle, depending on your desires, de, depending on where those water bottles have come from, the quality, all of those things need to be taken into account when you are making decisions.

And we will discuss all those things and everything that we do in the Inner Hub, and we've got loads of people this week, or we've got an open house running in the Inner Hub. People have come in and to understand what we do and how we do it. It. People will have seen that in action. We make no apologies whatsoever for going deep because we think that's the way that you're gonna make progress.

in order to make a breakthrough, you have to do the learning. You have to understand your own emotions, how those have affected you. How your lifestyle impacts the way that you view clutter, keep clutter, do shopping, all of those things. It's not simple. Our homes are complex things and we need to allocate the time to be able to fix that, really, don't we?

yeah. Even though we talk about small, manageable chunks, me and you Ingrid a fairly lengthy, if we're honest.

Ingrid: Yeah. Yeah. and, and I agree with you, we make no policies for that because the thing is decluttering and Organising can be seen as something that's very simple to do, and that's not complex because we know with all the messaging we see out on socials, on YouTube videos and magazines, it's. whittled down to, whoa. either keep it or you throw it away, or you put it in a six month box. let's not go on that. So box this episode, it's made very simplistic. But people who struggle with clutter, it's not something that's simple at all. So you have to give in-depth information.

You have to give that, that. Understanding about the emotions that sit behind the items. And like I said, when we started talking about small, manageable chunks, I think it's really important we teach people how you break, project down. Because decluttering is something that you will do the rest of your life. Sure, over time your mindset will change, your circumstances will change. Hopefully more stuff will leave and less stuff will come into your house. But as long as you buy stuff and your life changes, will have to declutter. And your circumstances changed as well. So it's really important that we teach in our hub membership, for example, in our podcast, in our Facebook group on our socials, that you, how do you do this? And five minutes per day is for a long term, if you've got a lot of clutter, will not be enough. But five minutes a day will help you to do a few things so you don't feel like you're sliding back all the time. So there's a fine balance between. Oh, this is easy. And just do five minutes per day to hold on a minute.

No, actually there's a lot to it. how am I going to tackle this and how can we, get rid of that all or nothing mentality And that, that I have to do this all at once Now or I'm not even gonna get started to with you. Hold on a minute. things don't, it's not like a snap of your fingers and you will improve.

So talking about small, manageable chunks is, really, important. And that's why we've talked about it 400 times and we will do 400 times more at least, because it's, really important.

Lesley: Now you say 400, Ingrid. I am thinking actually. For 40 gonna go 40,000. What do you reckon?

Maybe not as much as resets, but definitely more than 400, that's for sure.

but it's important.

Ingrid: connected to, yeah. And it's connected to goal setting and big picture goals and, all, it's all that's all connected. So you, you can't just say, I'm just gonna declutter this room now. No, hold on a minute. Why, what's the planning? What's your big picture goal?

What's what? What's your goal for this month? How are you gonna do that? How are you gonna break that down? Have you got everything in place to do this successfully? maybe you're right. I think 400 is not even the surface really.

Lesley: Yeah, exactly. Don't take us at our word when we say 400. Ignore the title of this podcast and just insert or the number.

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: but it didn't fit into our 400th episode plan. Did it? So here we are talking about 400. But anyway, there's one thing that I wanna talk about that's pervaded this podcast and our challenges and our socials for many, years.

And as soon as, and it's interesting 'cause as soon as we. Say it. Some people will be like, what's that? And other people go it, It's if isn't it one of those kind of things, which is the half worn close debate. Now

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: not got long. We aim for our podcast to be half an hour, 35 minutes.

We don't wanna go into too, much detail, but this is something that's definitely pervaded things for years because it's one of the things that Ingrid and I wholeheartedly. Disagree on.

Ingrid: yes.

Lesley: Explain Ingrid, because

it wrong, so you explain.

Ingrid: So in, in Lesley's mind, if you've worn something once and you can wear it again, you just put it back in your wardrobe. I'm like, oh, no, You put it somewhere else. Now, the location of my half warm clothes is a massive debate because of course I don't have a place for, I have a place for it, which Lesley wholeheartedly disagrees with. That's my banister in my hall. That's where I hang a trouser or, yeah, mainly trousers actually that, or maybe one top. 'cause most tops I wear once and then they go into the wash because I'm a kind of a warm and sweaty person. So mainly tops get worn once trousers get worn multiple times.

Unless he's just hang it back in your wardrobe. And I'm like. So you're, we, you're putting dirty clothes back in your wardrobe. It's in my head, although I will happily put a jacket back in my wardrobe. So the whole thing is a bit flawed. I'm not going to lie, but. Putting it all back is I can't agree with that either.

And Lesley and I agree on a lot of things throughout the years, we've actually, I think each of us have tweaked our little habits that we've done to go, oh yeah, that's such a good point. Let me change that. So we're like on 99.9% of things we agree apart from have worn clothes, which I've, which a lot of people find very funny.

Lesley: Yes they do. And so I'm gonna counter that argument 'cause I think you've simplified it. So for me, you're right. And I do, there's a, there's an additional step which I'd like to bring in, a moment, but for now, the half one clothes and Ingrid is actually re referring to those things as dirty clothes.

And so for me, if they're dirty clothes. They need to be in the laundry and not on your body, which is what this is all about. But if they're clean enough to go back on your body, then they're clean enough to go back on your wardrobe. And yes,

the jackets, dresses, and many other things that you would put back in your wardrobe.

Ingrid. Why do, why are they different to anything else? The split across our community is 50 50. Yeah. I would say so many people are with me. Many people are with Ingrid. We have done a whole podcast discussing this at length, and so do go back and listen to that episode. We'll pop that episode into the show notes for you so you can listen to the whole debate and you can work it out for yourself.

'cause sometimes we just always do what we've always done and we don't really think about it. And people think, oh, I can't possibly put that back in my wardrobe. I'm here to say, yes, you can Ingrid's there to say I'm with you. Don't put it back in your wardrobe. But in 2025, we found out that the banister drobe, as we have, been used to calling.

It is not just for half worn clothes. It is also Ingrid's ironing pile. now that is too much, too, much.

Ingrid: I just never told you. It's been like that

Lesley: I know,

Ingrid: forever. Since I've, Lois, I've lived his house, but I've never told you.

Lesley: I think, you might have pushed it. you might have lost a few fans there. You might have lost some fans who were with you on the half, worn clothes, but you might have pushed them just too far with the ironing pile. Ingrid.

Ingrid: You're coming to my house soon, Lesley, so you can check this. Although I might sneak into my ironing before you come.

Lesley: Yeah, exactly. I'll be straight up those stairs, nope. Do you wanna come in? Do you wanna have a coffee? no, you're fine. I'm just going to do a room inspection upstairs first, just to see whether you are a legitimate professional organizer. So yeah, do go back and listen to our half worn clothes debate, but

Ingrid: But

Lesley: need,

Ingrid: on. hold. Yeah,

Lesley: sorry,

Ingrid: no, You pulled me up on that, but I have to pull you up. One thing,

Lesley: Oh.

Ingrid: leave clothes on the floor beside your

ready for bed.

Lesley: yes, I do.

Ingrid: that is Okay. I'm just right. I we, that's ridiculous. You don't put stuff on the floor next to, I have never done that in my life.

I might have a banister drobe, Lesley, but I don't go, just put it on the floor in a pile for the next morning to No. So

Lesley: When you're getting ready, when you getting your paja, when you're getting your pajamas on, do you then take yourself off from your bedroom to your banister to put your clothes? So what's the pa? So I'm, by then, I'm just, like put those next to my bed. But I don't just leave them on the floor. So the next morning when I get up and do my resets, I pick them up and I hang them up.

Do you know what I mean? So I think that's an important part of it as well. but yeah. I hear you. It is quite lazy. so yeah, there's a counter argument. I'll give you that. I'll give you that.

Ingrid: Yeah, I'm, glad. I'm glad, but I have to save myself here.

Lesley: But really Ingrid, this is not about me and you, right? This is not about what I do. Whether I'm happy to chuck a pair of jeans on the top on the floor at night and pick them up the next morning.

Whether you are trotting out in your pajamas to put your dirty clothes on your banister every night, that's completely irrelevant. 'cause we all need to do what we all need to do. But we need to see how that fits into the bigger picture of what we're doing and how we're managing our homes. The fact that I've got a pair of jeans on the top overnight in my bedroom on the floor is not meaning that I've got a messy house because as soon as I wake up in the morning, have my shower, that's all sorted and it's all reset.

So I've got a system that works for me. You've got a system that works for you. And even though through gritted teeth I have to ag, I have to agree that you can do you, then that's what it's all about. It's about finding a system. And the most important thing with the half one closed, and actually we're saying the same thing, is I'm chucking mine on the floor.

You are putting yours on your banister. Is that. We need to work out when we're gonna do our recess really to put it back to the way that it should be. And we need to find system that we don't need to allow that to build. So if I were then dropping my clothes on the floor. And then putting more on top and more on top and more on top.

If you were never ever doing your ironing and ironing those things, then that would build up to a point of where it's not, not manageable. So we all need to evaluate constantly the habits that we've got, the things that we do in our house and go, is this working for me and is this adding value to my life?

And that's what's, that's what's important about this. It does not matter what you and I do. or say, in fact, actually, people could decide that actually. 'cause I chuck my stuff on the floor and you chuck your stuff on the banister that we're not worthy to be here 400 episodes later. But we're saying it's just about evaluating and looking at those and thinking and deciding whether or not you want to make a change or not.

I'm firmly stuck in my habits Ingrid's firmly stuck in hers. We've determined between ourselves that's not worth changing, doesn't matter to us. And so we are happy. And so you need to evaluate your home in the same way and that is why the half worn clothes debate is interesting 'cause it is.

Probably the only thing that we're vehemently opposed at in terms of Organising and decluttering your house. But actually, the interesting thing is, Ingrid, that we do come to decluttering with a completely different angle, don't we? Typically, and that's why I. Our relationship works really well in terms of teaching people, so we both do things the same way, but I am, I lean into things much more emotionally, so I'm all about the psychology, how it's happened, what the, the emotions that sit behind that stuff as is Ingrid.

That's a slightly bigger percentage for me. And Ingrid leans more into the practical. She's much more practically minded. So I would say that she leans into, we both do both. Of course we can. 'cause you can't be a de a successful professional organizer without both. But if there was a leaning, I would be leaning more towards the emotional side of things and Ingrid would be leaning more towards the practical side of things.

Do you agree, Ingrid?

Ingrid: Yeah, definitely. it's also how we answer the questions in our Inner Hub membership as well. We do a live q and a every two weeks where we answer our members' questions and we. Always agree, and you normally talk more about the emotions and I normally talk more about the kind of, okay, how practically are you gonna do this?

So it just works really, well together, and it has been working together well for a very long time. okay. Gosh, I've, been laughing so much. My throat is actually hurting from laughing, so let's go for a break and, Yeah, we'll come back for part two soon, so don't go anywhere.

Hello everyone. Welcome back to your part two of this 400 episodes. I still, I'm going 400 because we can't believe it ourselves either. but yeah, before the break we were saying that I, my throat was hurting 'cause I was laughing so much. And we need to talk about this Lesley because we laugh. A lot people might think, are you laughing at us? absolutely not. We mainly laugh about ourselves. About ourselves,

Lesley: definitely.

Ingrid: try to laugh a lot, don't we?

Lesley: to be fair, it comes naturally. I don't think we're trying to do, I just think is part of her, but being so I think we both, I think the reason why the laughter, it is not about whether you. Love to laugh because obviously you do Ingrid, you have this kind of very recognizable, very deep, very loud laugh, in fact.

And I like to laugh 'cause I see the funny side in most things in life and can't help myself but say them. And which many people will have heard as I have been laughing with. Ingrid for, many, years. And but the reason why we bring it into this podcast is because we're all about realism, right?

We're all about realism. We're all about real life. And when it comes to decluttering, feels like this heavy, insurmountable problem. And we believe that if it's a little bit lighter, if it's a little bit more fun, if it's a little bit more entertaining. Then you're gonna stick with it.

And so if you've chosen us as your teachers, mentors, whatever you wanna call it, we don't wanna be boring, right? Because if it's boring, then why would you then come back for more? And so the laughter, even though we can't help it anyway, 'cause it just happens naturally. It's something that we've purposely decided not to remove.

'cause we could remove that from the podcast. And we could be all serious and we could just do our laughter outside of that. But what we, do is we bring that into the podcast as well, and I think that's really important.

I.

Ingrid: think it's really important. I.

think of course, you love to tease me with my little quirky things that I say and little things that we do, but I think it's more fun, But decluttering it can be quite hard and. People, the clutter makes them feel depressed and they're down about it and they're upset about it.

And I think when you can try to make it a little bit more lighthearted, a little bit more, 'cause we understand we have worked with thousands and thousands of people in their homes. We know how hard it is. But when you can, information and it with, a twinkle and a smile and a laughter.

it all is, it's easier to learn. Is it as well, it's easier for the information to go in, I think. And I think it has to be a little bit of fun because, we can talk about decluttering and Organising honestly days and days on end. podcasts alone times. On average 30 minutes.

But we've got hundreds of hours of training in our membership as well. I think it's really important that, You have a little fun while you learn, because I think then the messaging comes across much better. And you guys, you might think, oh, this is only a podcast, but you're learning as well.

a lot of people say, I've learned so much from you both over the years listening to the podcast. And then they come into the Inner Hub membership and they're like, oh my gosh, you've, the podcast was just the overview. We're now really going in deep. It's fantastic. And that's what a lot of our members love our communities because we enjoy it.

We love showing up. We love hanging out together. Lesley as well, we miss each other when we go on holiday. Of course, we need to have a break from each other every once in a while, but we're always glad, but we're back because it's more fun what you do with the two of you. You know what I mean?

Lesley: Yeah, definitely. I'm, we started off talking about, the fact that I can't help, but laugh at things that happen. And so there was an ex, an example of that just about two minutes ago. Ingrid, when you talked about the fact that you believe that you twinkle, did you hear, do you.

When you're like, I twinkle wow, Ingrid thinks she's a twinkly little star. Yeah. I've never really thought about myself as twinkling, to be fair, but I can see how you would think that Ingrid. But yeah, I think the important thing, here is the fact that we consciously. Keep the fun in the podcast in our teachings because A, if we didn't, it would be completely inauthentic and we are un unapologetically ourselves and very authentic with it.

I like to think, but we think that fun and having laughter, even if it means sometimes it. It's funny that the things that we keep sometimes, of course, there's a hugely serious side of clutter. Of course there is, and we're not like underplaying that at all. There's a time for seriousness, there's time for fun, but we think that fun and bringing the fun factor into the podcast and everything that we do.

Does not undermine the work that we do. It supports it hugely and the kinds of messages that we get from you guys, supports that as well. 'cause you're all like, I love the banter, I love the laughter. It makes it feel like I'm not alone and all that kind of stuff.

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: we have definitely laughed more than 400 times Ingrid, I would say, and will indeed continue to do I hope.

Ingrid: yeah. I hope so too. And I think as long as, we, we enjoy, working with our communities. We enjoy this podcast. We enjoy. Our Facebook group, we enjoy, and I, we, of course, we love the membership, our inner hub membership. And I think, that's just what makes it all so special and worthwhile.

So it's the community of people and, having, fun together. And I think be, we have hard times, not easy to run a business, it, is not. And we've got our hard days and it doesn't mean that Lesley and I. Never e you know, never ever have a disagreement or, although we don't really have a disagreement, we might not always agree with each other, but we always work it out.

But I think most of the time we in one line and we agree with. The next steps and what we wanna do. And I think that's really important. And I think that's what the people in this podcast who listen to this podcast and our inner hub members know. And I think that's really, it makes me proud and it makes me happy and I'm glad we are such a, safe love, fantastic warm community for have around us and that people enjoy listening in and joining in our membership.

I think it's super important.

Lesley: it's your opportunity to twinkle every single day. Ingrid, isn't it?

Ingrid: I do love hanging out with our members. That is for sure. I always go bit rogue when you're on holiday, Lesley, I like, like a live session, supposed to be an hour, but when you're not there, I'm like, Ooh, Lesley's not here. The boss is away. I can actually stay for 10 minutes longer. I can go rogue all by myself.

Lesley: Exactly. one of the things I thought we needed to give people as well when we were prepping this podcast, I think one of the things that we need to do is give people a little treat, a little 400th episode treats. We're gonna take a little diversion for a moment with the things that we're talking about, which is the things that we've done and said 400 times.

This has not happened 400 times, but I think this is a little segment where we're gonna give you a little treat now. All of you will know, or some of you actually will know that Ingrid and I are in something called Rock Choir. So we sing every week, with our lovely friends at Rock Choir. Ingrid does it in the south.

I do it in the north. And so we sing the same songs. I, it's a huge rock Choir is like a huge organization. We actually did a podcast with the founder of Rock Choir. 'cause Rock Choir is so built on community in the same way that the declutter hub is as well. so if you wanna listen to that, listen to a little bit more about Rock Choir, go back and listen to that episode, which we'll also put in the show notes.

We sing, right? Ingrid is a soprano. I am a lower Alto. Ingrid is much more confident in singing than I am. I am in a choir for good reason, because I need other people around me to drown out the noise. Ingrid, of course, loves to shine, loves to sing, loves to do solos, On occasion, many occasions I will invite or put Ingrid on the spot more often than not to sing.

And and I don't think you have sang in the podcast. I don't think I might be wrong. I think you have sang in challenges that we have done using regularly in the Inner Hub membership. But there's always one song that we keep coming back to, and so I thought as a special 400th episode, treat Ingrid over to you to sing your favorite decluttering song.

Ingrid: well, Lesley, I'm like, now, because normally you always throw it in front of me and I'm like, oh gosh. And then I do it. And now if I time to think about it and I'm like, do people actually really want to hear me

Lesley: I.

Ingrid: this podcast? Because of course, the thing is because Lesley indeed is in Manchester, I'm in London, we are like online. recording this so we can never sing together. We've tried this before, but it just doesn't work because of the tiny ti time delay there is between what see in hear. So I'm always trying to get her, Lesley to, to sing, but she's always no, You sing. And of course I always end up singing and now I'm like, oh my gosh.

And my voice is not great today, but okay. Let me just do

Lesley: Oh, she's getting her excuses in early, getting her excuses in early. Come on, We did sing one. We did sing once together, didn't we? We went to a conference. Remember we were both in the toilets and we thought we were in separate toilets, obviously, but next to each other, and we thought we were on our own in the toilets.

So we started singing and then this woman was there and she was like. That was nice, wasn't it? That was quite funny, wasn't it? It was like at a conference or something, wasn't it? So we have actually sang together, but anyway,

Ingrid: yeah. Yeah, definitely.

Lesley: to you. The floor is yours. The floor is yours.

Ingrid: Lemme just get this over with, right? it go. Let it go. Who can't hold it back anymore? Let it go. Let it go. Turn away and slam the door. I don't care what they're going to say. Let the storm rage on the cold never bothered me anyway.

Lesley: Low. That, yeah, that's lower alto. I should have taken that line. Well done, Ingrid. I'm sure we'll be, we will. I know she's all red and flustered. I think we will be breaking many, copyright rules by singing that on the podcast, actually. So let's hope we don't get taken to task by Irena Mendel or whatever.

What's her name? What's the woman's name? Who sings it? Or Disney, in fact, actual, maybe Disney might not like that.

Ingrid: I know

Lesley: we'll be.

Ingrid: gonna,

Lesley: Yeah, our podcast, like 400 episodes later, I don't think, Disney are really gonna worry about that, but it was really lovely.

Ingrid: Lesley.

Lesley: Exactly, We'll get sued by Disney.

Ingrid: this is the last podcast we're gonna do. We're being closed up by Disney after

Lesley: Exactly. So if all of a sudden in this podcast you're listening and we'd said that we were gonna sing and there's a big like beep over that bit, that means that we've been told that we're not allowed to do that. But anyway, we are gonna continue. Thank you for sharing that with our audience. Ingrid.

That was absolutely lovely. So we're gonna close out soon, but I, I'm gonna put you on the spot once again, Ingrid, and we have alluded to this a couple of times, things that we do and say several times. I take the Mickey out of you quite a lot for the way that you say things, but this has not come from me.

This has come from our podcast listeners, members, and famously our pop-up group members who seem to have, jumped on the bandwagon of loving. The way you say popup group, and we do have pop. So just to put it into context, if anybody's not gone through a challenge with us. Every time we do a reset Your home challenge or any other challenge, which we do a couple of times a year, we have a popup group.

So we open a group that is there temporarily that we use for everybody to interact and to build that sense of community and sharing and all of that good stuff. So we love our popup groups. They come and they go. But Ingrid's ability to say popup group remains the same. And lots of people love how she says it.

Go for. Go for it. Ingrid.

Ingrid: I. I know. So what happened? Basically we were gonna close the pop-up group at the end of January after our challenge, but we decided that we are going to change it to the Declutter Hub Challenges pop-up group. So I made a video about this or I did a live or something or I, recorded the video and put it live on the pop-up group and everybody just started to respond I love how you say pop-up group.

And I'm like. I don't really get this. Why is this funny? And unless she's yeah, because she said popup group. And I'm like, I'm not saying popup group. I'm saying popup group.

Lesley: Yeah, exactly.

Ingrid: apparently everybody finds it very funny how I say this.

Lesley: No, I think they find it cute.

Ingrid: this in a normal

Lesley: I think they find it cute. It's not funny. It's like cute the way you say it. So just say it like five times for everybody.

Ingrid: Pop-up group. Pop up group. up group pop. up group.

Lesley: Exactly. There you go. So it was a special treat. We're trying to inch closer to that 400 by making Ingrid say it repeatedly. 'cause we were only at 396 and so there you go. so yeah, just, but, basically, we talked about fun, we've talked about laughter and we talked about relationships all you know, and.

Our relationship is very special to both of us. we were friends before we worked together, and that's a really integral part of our relationship. And that ability to have fun, to have laughter is so important to us. And so that's why I can unashamedly take the Mickey out of Ingrid for saying popup group.

So that's what he wanted to say. But I think this leads us onto something else really. And Ingrid spoke about that before, which is we are so lucky to have beautiful people in our communities everywhere. And we do not take it for granted. We get hardly any problems. We've got something like.

in our sort of Facebook communities at the moment, we've got 70 or 80,000 people in our Instagram commun communities. We've got 30 or 40,000 people. We've got thousands and thousands of people listening to our, podcast every week. We've got hun, several hundred people in our hub membership or, and some of those overlap.

Of course they do some of, some people are everywhere on all of those groups. But we never ever take it for granted because what we have and what we've, encouraged is a beautiful community of people who are there to support each other. And that is the most important thing for us in the Declutter Hub,

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: that we have created a space where decluttering is not shameful, you're not embarrassed, you are able to share, you are able to post, and you feel completely a hundred percent supported.

And the amount of people that we've got who say, oh. I'm not alone anymore. And that's what it's all about. And so that is why

the popup group, the Declutter Hub, community Emotions, based Decluttering Group, the Instagram, that's not so much of a community, they're all so important because that's what's holding the, it's the glue that's holding it all together.

Ingrid.

Ingrid: Yeah. Yeah, and we are so aware of it and we, we look at it a lot, we, look at is this a kind, supportive space for people that people love to hang out with? And we've been so, lucky. Yes, of course. Every once in a while we have to, delete a person or, because somebody, people come in and we get the numbers so people are like, Ooh. But overall, I think we're so lucky and, we guard that because we know how special it is and how important it is. And, we work really hard to keep it that way. And of course, when the numbers are that high, it. it's a big job, but we feel, we know how important it is. And of course, even more so in our inner hub membership as well, because, we, a lot of people trust us with a lot of their, thoughts and their stories and their reasons and what's going on in their lives.

And we have to guard that be there for them is really important. Yeah, definitely.

Lesley: Yeah. and we are at the end of a lovely week as well, Ingrid, today because we have in invited 400 of our lovely community into our inner hub membership. So 400 of you have enjoyed access to, all of our live sessions and the things that we have in the Inner hub this week we've done. A q and a.

We've done our monthly momentum, we've done our dilemma deep dive this week. So we've ramped up all of our, we haven't ramped up, we've just concentrated them all into one week, our success sessions. So there's been something like eight live sessions that people have been, invited to come today.

We're extra excited as well because we've got. 400th podcast party for those people that are in our open house this week as well. So that's another way that our communities can come together, which is so important to us. So we've, if you've taken part in our open house this week, thank you so much for being there.

Thank you so much for continuing that element of community. We have loved you being there. We hope that you have seen an extension of what this podcast is in the inner hub, where we go even deeper, say even more, teach, even more, laugh, even more. All of the things that we, Ingrid says ridiculous things even more.

And so joking. and that's what we wanted people to experience. And so we're at the end of a busy week, but a very successful, lovely. Affirming week, I think for us as well that our community can come into the Inner Hub. Our members can support them, our current members can support them, and hopefully some of those people will join us this week and we'll continue their journey in the Inner Hub.

if that's something that you would like to do as well, you've not been part of the open house, the offer for that. We are running until, the end of the 40 days, 40 items challenge. So that's the 4th of April. So that's about 10 days from now. If you're listening in real time. We've got a discount on our membership running, 20% off all of our tiers of membership, quarterly, annual, and monthly.

So if you feel that you would like to join the Inner Hub, come and join us. Come and see what it's all about. We would love to have you. And yeah, it's been a special week, hasn't it Ingrid, but a busy week, right?

Ingrid: Yeah, definitely. It's been a fantastic week in the open house. we've got one week left in the 40 days, 40 items challenge, which has also been absolutely phenomenal again this year. yeah. And we still have a party to come this evening, which we, of course, we always love as well. Who doesn't love a party?

We love a party and, yeah, absolutely. Fantastic. So thank you so much to each and every one of you for listening in, for joining us, for going back all the way back to episode one and, and listening in. And if you've, literally, this is your first time listening in. Kudos to you for sticking with us and, lots more learning to do.

And of course, listeners, what we would love to know from you is. you've been here for a while, what is the thing that you think to yourself? Gosh, that message that least Lesley and Ingrid tell told me has really stuck with me. I've learned it's really clicked when they said that thing, it really all came together for me. Let us know in the comments. Leave a comment in your podcast player on our YouTube channel. I'll leave a comment on our website. if you can't find any of those, send us an email because we always love hearing from our listeners as well. So yeah, I think I can safely say Lesley, on behalf of us both, thank you so much for being here. We have no plans of going anywhere, so next week we'll be back with episode Podcast 401. So see you then. Bye everyone.