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Episode 180 – 10 things to declutter from your wardrobe

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If you’ve got a random assortment of things cluttering up your wardrobe that are not just clothes, today’s podcast is for you. We’re going to talk about 10 things that you need to declutter from your wardrobe today, because they just shouldn’t be there.
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[00:00:00] Ingrid: Hands up if you've got a random assortment of things cluttering up your wardrobe that are not just clothes. In today's podcast we're going to talk about 10 things that you need to declutter from your wardrobe today. Because they just shouldn't be there.

[00:00:18] You know what, Lesley? It's a 10 things podcast. We love a 10 things podcast. And it's all about wardrobes today, isn't it? Yes, 

[00:00:27] Lesley: it is. And this might be a little bit different to what you're expecting because I think you might think yeah, I know the kinds of things that I need to take from my wardrobe, but we're going to talk about a random assortment of things that binds their way into wardrobes and they're on, we are on the warpath to get them out of those wardrobes.

[00:00:43] So your wardrobes only have clothes in them. So let's kick it off Ingrid with 

[00:00:47] Ingrid: number one. We this list is from our own experience, isn't it? I mean, this is not we've not made these things up We have actually found all of these things that are coming in this 10 things podcast in Wardrobe, so yes, I can't wait number one.

[00:01:06] Oh my gosh, Lesley. It is such a bugbear of mine Plastic from dry cleaning that's either still over clothes, or there's an empty hanger with the plastic still over it, or it is already crumpled up somewhere, pushed away in the back of the wardrobe or in the bottom of the wardrobe. Oh my gosh, it's the, it just drives me nutty.

[00:01:30] Lesley: It does drive you nutty. And so it's a kind of, it's an unfinished thing, isn't it? So people leave them in there because they take the item out, you get it dry cleaned, you hang it in your wardrobe. There's something quite nice, I think, isn't there? People quite like the feeling of plastic over dry cleaning because it makes things feel clean.

[00:01:47] So it's all about psychology that sits in that. But then we take the item off and we leave the plastic. in, don't we? So the thing, the reason why we don't like that is because a, it absolutely serves no purpose whatsoever if it's empty and Secondly, if your item is covered in a dry cleaning plastic wrapper, is that what they're called?

[00:02:08] Wrappers? Then that creates actually a barrier. And so you don't see that as readily as you would see other items in your wardrobe. So what that means is you don't necessarily choose it. So sometimes people like to keep that plastic wrap on if it's something that's used very, very occasionally. So if you really want to keep the plastic wrap on, that's a good thing.

[00:02:28] But if it's something that you're using all the time. Get the plastic wrap off and get it seen in your wardrobe. So then you will start to 

[00:02:35] Ingrid: wear it Yes, and not only that it makes a wardrobe feel so messy Where you kind of open the doors and you see all this plastic and it's like what is all this stuff?

[00:02:47] And the first thing I do is just kind of okay You should see me on YouTube now trying to show Lesley how I kind of pull things out of a wardrobe So if you're watching this on YouTube Thank you so much for being here. If you're like, Oh, what? Yes. Our podcasts are now on YouTube because we know besides listening, you also love watching our podcast.

[00:03:03] So there's me trying to show Lesley how to grab empty, dry, cleaning wrappers out of a cupboard. It's the first thing I do first thing. I 

[00:03:11] Lesley: don't think it's going to be. I don't think it's the most useful thing that you've ever demonstrated. I'm not going to lie. You know, like Ingrid's arms are just floundering around really.

[00:03:20] I don't think there's any sense in that. But thank you for sharing that with us. Amazing. Yes, you're right, Ingrid. So many people are now listening to us and watching us on YouTube, which is quite cool actually. Because it's something that we only kind of introduced, didn't we, in episode 150. So we've only been doing this 30 episodes, but people are liking what they see.

[00:03:37] for some reason, but anyway, anyway, without further ado, let us go on to number two. That rhymes. I love 

[00:03:45] Ingrid: a rhyme. Yes. Yes. So number two is important documents. How often do we find passports, driving license, birth certificates, wills, wedding certificate? I mean, that kind of thing. In a wardrobe. Very odd. 

[00:04:04] Lesley: It is very odd.

[00:04:05] It is very odd. We understand how these things happen. Now we could go on about this for 17 hours of a paperwork course, but we won't do that. Just to, suffice to say that we believe those kind of important documents, the ones that Ingrid has mentioned, should be summed up with the rest of your paperwork.

[00:04:22] Or alternatively, they could be in a safe, but a wardrobe is not really going to cut it in the same way that a safe would. Is it Ingrid? If you've got a safe in your wardrobe, which a lot of people do, then that's a different matter entirely. But if you just randomly put it there, as if you're kind of imagining that there's a safe there and it's just a shelf with a pair of knickers on it, then that's not going to really going to work.

[00:04:45] Take those important documents out and put them somewhere where they, where they belong. 

[00:04:49] Ingrid: I know, I, I, I was just kind of going to say yes, unless you actually have a safe that's in your wardrobe because it's kind of a place that makes sense to have a safe, maybe because people think that in the night, you know, I don't want to have stuff downstairs and when I want to have it in a room where I'm sleeping, I don't know if that really helps, but I think Probably people who burgle houses know that we hide stuff in our wardrobes, don't 

[00:05:13] Lesley: we?

[00:05:13] Exactly. So they might be looking for a safe and then they don't find a safe, but they do find your passport and your house deeds. And so that's not useful. I wonder whether the whole safe thing in wardrobes, Ingrid, comes from... Because they're always in a wardrobe in a hotel, aren't they? Yeah. So do you think it's something to do with that?

[00:05:30] And we're like, oh yeah, a safe belongs in a wardrobe. 

[00:05:32] Ingrid: Do you think it's that? I, I, I have never won. I mean, you know that I've worked in hotels for many, many years, so I've. I've seen lots of different hotels and I've seen, indeed, you're right, the safe is always in the cupboard because you just don't want to leave it out.

[00:05:48] So it makes sense, but maybe that's why people put them in their own house, in their cup, in their wardrobes as well. I know 

[00:05:54] Lesley: one of those things, anybody works for a safe. Safe company or a security company do let us know the rationale as to where a safe should be Anyway, number two those documents don't need to be in with your t shirts.

[00:06:07] They need to be somewhere completely different So if you've got those kind of documents in your wardrobe Have a think about whether that's a sensible thing to do. Yep. And so now we will go on to number three. 

[00:06:18] Ingrid: Yes. And this is a very bulky item normally, Lesley. And it's a wedding dress. We very, very regularly find a wedding dress in people's wardrobe.

[00:06:30] So in the stuff they see daily, the wedding dress is there. The wedding was. 22 years ago or 12 years ago, but the wedding dress is still sometimes in a cover, sometimes not in kind of your main wardrobe space, taking up lots and lots of space. 

[00:06:49] Lesley: And that's the problem. So it could be a another very bulky item.

[00:06:53] Wedding dresses, bridesmaids dresses, Holy Communion dresses, all those kind of bulky things. They're the kind of thing that takes up loads of space. And so what we're saying is your wardrobe needs to be things that you're going to wear on a regular basis and your wedding dress is a sentimental item. Now if you've got overflow wardrobes in other rooms of your homes, perhaps that is the place for your wedding dress, but not in your Main wardrobe.

[00:07:17] That's not where it belongs because it's going to take up loads of space and it's going to take away from the things that you're wearing every day. So if you've got something like that, think about trying to send it somewhere else in your home if 

[00:07:26] Ingrid: that's possible. Or, I mean, Lesley, I mean, we know that some people are lucky enough to have a gigantic walk in wardrobe.

[00:07:33] Then it probably makes sense to have it there, but I mean, like me, I got a three door wardrobe. I can't stick my wedding dress in there because that's where my kind of current wardrobe needs to be. So the wedding dress is somewhere else in my house. So, but we see it all the time, taking up lots and 

[00:07:49] Lesley: lots of space, valuable space.

[00:07:50] I don't know what I think if I saw my work, my wedding dress in my I don't know if that would be depressing, you know, like the size of it compared to the size of me, you know, it can be a bit like, all right, that was me one day when the height of my life looking beautiful day only. I don't know about that.

[00:08:12] Mine's kind of, yeah, mine's. I still have it. We've talked about it in our wedding dress podcast that we did. We did a whole podcast on wedding dresses, didn't we? Yeah. And so, yeah, yeah. I don't know about that. I don't know what I feel about it. But ultimately, if you've not got loads of space and it's in your main wardrobe, your wedding dress does not deserve its space that it needs to be elsewhere.

[00:08:30] Ingrid: On a, on a nice little side, Lesley, my mom downsized last year. So the wedding dress used to be in like a spare wardrobe in my mom's house, but she downsized. So it had to, so it's now here in my house. So I showed my children and I was like, Oh, I love your wedding dress. I want to wear that one day when I get married.

[00:08:48] And I'm like. That's a very nice thought Anne, but I'm not forcing you to do this. Just to be clear, if at that time, and even if you say to me now, you change your mind, that's fine too, because I just don't want her to feel the pressure. Like I once said to my mom that I want to wear a wedding dress and now it's my date.

[00:09:04] I actually want to buy something new. So I went love your thought. It will be here, but if you change your mind, that's really, really fine with me as well. So yeah, no, I'm going to put that pressure on my kids. I mean, I didn't even know if she's going to get married or not. And it's not, you know. It's, it's so long down the line.

[00:09:22] She's like 13, but I think she just was 

[00:09:24] Lesley: like, No, it's a nice romantic thought, isn't it? We like the colour. But a lot of people do use elements of wedding dresses in their design and stuff like that. So there's lots of things, but that's all in it. That's all in the wedding dress podcast. So let's not get bogged down at number three on wedding dresses.

[00:09:38] Let's go on to 

[00:09:40] Ingrid: number four. Yes. And I kind of suddenly, when we're making this list, it suddenly just came into my head going. Change. Small change. Like money. I mean, every wardrobe there's a pot, a jar, a bag, you know, those little tiny money bags, a plastic bag with money bags in there, or handbags with lots of small change in the bottom of them.

[00:10:05] And it's like, why is this bag so heavy? And there's like this 201p coins that come from this bag. Small change. 

[00:10:14] Lesley: I'm just trying to think, you know, Ingrid, whether... , you know, 'cause we, we both lived in America. It is changed, the term used in, well probably North America. I'm not sure that it is. I feel like there's another name for it.

[00:10:29] Yeah. I dunno dear. Can you think? I'm like, um, I just feel it. I just, when you were saying it, I'm like, oh, but anyway, we mean coins. Yeah. So we mean coins. And so that's what we're talking about. So you're right. And the reason why it's in there quite often is because, And this happens less and less now because we don't really use as much money as we used to, and we definitely don't use coins.

[00:10:47] I mean, what can you get with coins these days? Like, not a chance, but you do get coins back, don't you? Most people are paying contactless now, so there's much less change around. I mean, I, you know, whenever, whenever I've found a pound for the parking, I'm like struggling because all I've got is my phone.

[00:11:02] And I'm like, I haven't got a pound! But anyway. And so the reason why it's in there is because people take coins out of their pockets. Uh, men quite often do it a lot more than women then perhaps. And then they kind of gather it together, they take it out of their thing and they put it somewhere in the room in the wardrobe.

[00:11:19] And then it always seems like a really good idea to gather it together. So quite often, you know how people save like pound coins and stuff, like And then they have hundreds of pounds that they can use quite often. Those are in wardrobes as well. Aren't they? Those kind of pound coin storage kind of things for a rainy day.

[00:11:35] And so in Ingrid and I's opinion, is that the way? Is that the way Ingrid and I's opinion? Ingrid and my opinion? How do you say that? Ingrid and my, in our opinion, that's easier. Um, I never know how to say that. We don't believe that any kind of change or coins should be in a wardrobe. A wardrobe is for clothes 

[00:11:53] Ingrid: and shoes.

[00:11:54] Yes. Let's draw that line in the sand, Lesley! Hahahaha! But I mean, it's in I mean We see it everywhere. Random little pots, little trays. Also in a home office to make a little sidestep. I mean, we see them everywhere in the kitchen where, in, in the hallway where people come in with their stuff and it's like, just gather it together and actually put, there's coin machines in the supermarket where you can put it in and then it also automatically grunts through it and you then they tell you how much it was.

[00:12:25] Don't let it sit in your wardrobe gathering dust because there's absolutely no point to it talking about dust. That is number five on our list. Lesley, we find lots and lots of dust in wardrobes and definitely it should be decluttered. 

[00:12:45] Lesley: I feel like I, you know, I mean, we put it in there and it's quite random, but we just wanted to highlight the fact that.

[00:12:51] It's time to look at the dust in your wardrobe. We know you can't really do the standard stuff with decluttering and take it and put it in a bin bag and donate it to the charity shop. That really wouldn't work, would it, with dust? But I suppose what we're trying to highlight is look after your wardrobe's clothes.

[00:13:06] I've got, it's got, it sounds quite grim, doesn't it? There's loads of sort of skin particles go on it and that dust drops. It drops onto whatever's at the bottom of a wardrobe. Wardrobes are super, super dusty. So every now and again, Wipe the rail over, get the hoover out and do the shelves. You know, wipe over the shoes or whatever it is that's at the bottom of your wardrobe.

[00:13:26] Declutter those layers of dust. 

[00:13:30] Ingrid: Yes, and you know I love a bit of cleaning, so get your hoover out, get your microfiber cloth out and Give it a little wipe. It's, it's a bit like spring cleaning and also don't forget to open a window when you're doing this, especially if your wardrobes been neglected for a while, it is going to be far more dusty than you might think.

[00:13:49] So do open a wardrobe if you're kind of, sorry, do open a window if you think I'm going to tackle this wardrobe and get some fresh air in. 

[00:13:58] Lesley: I am loving this 10 things podcast. It's quite random, isn't it? Yeah. But for now, let's go to a little break.

[00:14:04] So welcome back. And we are here with number six. And honestly, this is one that Ingrid and I get very, very passionate about. Isn't it Ingrid. We, we don't like the word hate because that's a little bit too strong, but we really are virgin on hatred of these things aren't we.

[00:14:20] Let's call it loathing. Shall we? Yeah. What am I talking about Ingrid? 

[00:14:24] Ingrid: Multi tier hangers. Is that all 

[00:14:29] Lesley: you've got? That's all you've got to say about it?

[00:14:34] Ingrid: You can't, I think I'm having red marks in my neck now. They sound like an amazing idea, but trust us after years of working in thousands of homes. Multi tier hangers are not your friend, should have never been invented, it should not be bought by people. Yes, 

[00:14:56] Lesley: exactly. And I still see loads of adverts popping up on feed all of the time for all these like multi tier hangers, like no, enough with the multi tier hangers.

[00:15:04] So what do we mean by a multi tier hanger? So it's kind of a standard coat hanger, but it has several kind of rungs, is that the word? Rungs? Rings? 

[00:15:12] Ingrid: Rungs? Bars?

[00:15:17] Lesley: So the idea would be then perhaps that you would then hang six sets of trousers, pairs of trousers over these multi tiers, and that's going to save you tons and tons of space. No, it's not going to save you any space because the space is taken up by the six pairs of trousers and all it's going to do is make the trouser number two, three, four, five and six really hard to get to very invisible because they're covered by the other things.

[00:15:44] And it's just a complete mess, isn't it? 

[00:15:47] Ingrid: I'm nodding my head. Our listeners can't see this, but I'm like, I'm nodding my head exactly as you're speaking. Yes! All of the reasons above, Lesley. 

[00:15:54] Lesley: Yes. And also, of course, a lot of our wardrobes, if we've designed it in a certain way, are like half, what we would call half hanging.

[00:16:02] Yeah. And so if you then put six pairs of trousers all underneath each other, they're going to trail on the bottom. So there is no good reason at all for multi tier hangers to be in existence. I feel we need to stop because there's going to be loads of people going, but I like my multi tier like, I don't agree with them.

[00:16:18] I feel like we might, you know, some people might disagree with us. 

[00:16:21] Ingrid: What do you think? It is very possible. This is a very Marmite type situation. You either love multi tier hangers. Or you loathe them, and I think we're, it's very clear that we're both in the loathe, uh, segment of the multi tier hangar. But up till now, and like I said, 12 years, each of us working in hundreds or thousands of houses.

[00:16:45] We've never once that we thought we need a multi tier hanger for this. Yeah, they just 

[00:16:51] Lesley: don't work. They cause more problems than they solve is the bottom line. And so, and I think if you're tight on space or if you've got too many clothes and you're like, I need a solution to this. The solution is that you need less clothes and you need to only have the clothes that you love.

[00:17:04] But what we do, of course, is we need to, we try and find storage solutions to fix the problem rather than. Tackle the problem at source, which is the fact that you've got too many things. So multi tier hangers are always on our list of they're really high. Like they're in my like top three of loathed items in life.

[00:17:26] I think that's bad. Isn't it? Why have we got it in for the multi tier hangers? 

[00:17:32] Ingrid: I know some hangers going to go. Well, thanks very much. Now, Lesley. Sales are going to drop dramatically because you don't like them. 

[00:17:42] Lesley: No one who owns a multi tier hanger company is ever going to sponsor up. 

[00:17:48] Ingrid: Anyway, we have another hanger situation going on and that is number seven of our list of 10 things.

[00:17:56] And that is what we see is when there are kids size hangers. In adult wardrobes. So the adult is a size, whatever, 12, 14, 16, whatever they are. But suddenly you're like, that is a really small hanger. And it's like for an age five to six. And then you see this, this, this size 16 top or on an age six hangers, like.

[00:18:21] There's something really wrong here. 

[00:18:24] Lesley: Yeah, and it comes about because maybe we're doing the ironing and we haven't kind of taken all the existing hangers out of our wardrobes. Things have gone into the wrong places. So it's not the end of the world. It's not, we're not got a multi tier hanger situation.

[00:18:36] They're just in the wrong place. And so it's really important that you have the right size hanger for your clothes because that way your clothes look. Best you're going to look at them. They sit nicely in your wardrobe. So if you have this situation where you've got kids hangers in your wardrobe, or the alternative is that there are adult hangers in your children's wardrobes and try and do a swap over when you've got 

[00:18:57] Ingrid: five minutes.

[00:18:58] Yeah, it doesn't take that long. Does it? And I think it's really something that's really worthwhile because. The clothes will slip off the hangers, and that is, I think, something that people don't realize. They're going to, oh, you'll have to quickly get a hanger, but if the clothes are a normal, a larger, normal adult size, and they're on tiny hangers, they slip off, they then fall in the bottom of the wardrobe, they get dusty, they get crumpled, you don't see it, so you're not going to wear it.

[00:19:23] And suddenly it's like... I thought I had a top, this side, this, this, this color or this fabric, where has it gone? And then it's from, at some point when you're going to tackle that dust, you're going to go, well, the mystery has been solved. It's been lurking in the bottom, completely invisible by plastic, um, covers from dry cleaning.

[00:19:43] Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. 

[00:19:45] Lesley: Yeah, but underneath the dust. So the dry cleaning things first and then the dust and then the, yeah, and then the clothes that you want to wear. Exactly, exactly. It's a big problem, ain't it? A big problem, these wardrobes. And we're here on a mission to get these wardrobes sorted, aren't we?

[00:19:58] Yeah. And so the next thing on our hit list, and it is definitely a hit list, isn't it? Yeah. 

[00:20:04] Ingrid: It's sounding a bit like a hit list now, Lesley. 

[00:20:07] Lesley: Sounds like we're way too passionate about this, what, what these things that should not be in a wardrobe. But anyway, we need to get a bit of a life. But anyway, number eight is kind of along the same line as the dry cleaning plastic, isn't it?

[00:20:20] But what is it, Ingrid? Number eight? 

[00:20:22] Ingrid: Yes, number eight is suit carriers. You buy a suit in a store. It happens, I think, a little bit more with men buying suits like a trouser and a jacket in a store. 

[00:20:36] Lesley: Or a dress, or a dress. Like women buy dresses in suit carriers as 

[00:20:39] Ingrid: well. Yeah, and you get a suit carry when you buy the item to carry it home because maybe it is really nice brand or whatever, whatever.

[00:20:47] And then the suit carriers find their way into the wardrobe, the dress or the suit is out of it, but the suit carrier stays there on a hanger, in your wardrobe, taking up lots and lots of space, and there's never one. There's never, there's never just one! There's like... Eight? 

[00:21:08] Lesley: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Now, there are people, of course, who do you see suit carriers regularly.

[00:21:12] So people who travel for work do use suit carriers, but in general, if people are traveling that they need to keep suits really nice or multiple suits, they have a more substantial suit carry that almost looks a little bit like a suitcase kind of thing. It kind of zips over and it's a kind of more of a rigid one.

[00:21:31] And so the ones that we're talking about are the ones that you get in shops. Now, it's really hard as well, as Ingrid said. A lot of the things that we get these things in typically are more expensive. So we might get something with a nice kind of brand on it. You know, you might have like a, I'm trying to think of a nice brand.

[00:21:45] I haven't got one. Ingrid, can you 

[00:21:48] Ingrid: think 

[00:21:49] Lesley: of a nice brand? Um, like a Dior, like, like as if I would ever have a Dior suit hanger. But anyway, um, be nice if we did. But that's the kind of thing that we. Time. Oh, well that's a Dior sewer hanger. So then why would I then get rid of it? So the higher the brands, the harder it is to get rid of the item because we feel that it comes along with that aspirational territory.

[00:22:09] But ultimately, Really think about whether you need a suit carrier whether you're ever going to reuse it again Whether you're going to put that item back in the suit carrier again If it's something that you're using very very infrequently You may feel that you want to cover it if your wardrobe is exposed to the light, for example You might want to cover it up but invariably if you're just a standard wardrobe with a You know standard wardrobe with standard stuff that you're wearing and there's nothing too crazy in there Cost wise and suit carriers are not generally that helpful.

[00:22:37] Yeah, I 

[00:22:38] Ingrid: think especially because of visibility. Um, Lesley, I mean, if you've got the one nice dress in the one suit carrier, you know, it's the one nice dress. I think the problem is if there's lots of suit carriers, all kind of some with suits, some without suits, some other random stuff that is not a suit has ended up in there and you completely lose track of what you have because they're normally.

[00:23:00] Darker color so you have to open the zip to have a look what's in it So it gets rid of the visibility and people lose track of what they have and then don't wear 

[00:23:10] Lesley: it Exactly. You are so right. So suit carriers are on our hit list. Not that high Not that high, but they are definitely on the hit list for some people now these are definitely on my hit list another one not quite as passionate as the multi tier hangers, but these definitely Do my head in.

[00:23:29] Ingrid: Okay. We'll tell us Lucy. What's number 

[00:23:31] Lesley: nine. Then we don't even know what the calls we should baby of Google debt, but what they are is like these plastic things that you put in your wardrobe and the kind of half a cent, half a moths. 

[00:23:44] Ingrid: Mothball 

[00:23:45] Lesley: thingies. Mothball thingies. Exactly. Mothball thingies. They're like little plastic things.

[00:23:51] So they come in lots of different, so there's nice ones that are like little lavender bags. You might have wooden ball type things that you put in there as well that sometimes come on a little hanger. But more often than not we get these kind of plastic, they almost look like little hangers with like... I don't know, like filters in them or something, or maybe they're like sticky things for the moths to go into.

[00:24:12] But what we do is we put them in there when we have a moth problem, and we never end up taking them out. Yeah. Am I right, Ingrid? How many of these have we seen? 

[00:24:19] Ingrid: Yes, many. And the thing is, what I find very funny, and it also gave me a giggle. Of giggle.

[00:24:29] Because the sticky plastic in there is full of moths, but it expired like a year ago. So I'm like, how's your moth problem going? Oh, no, they're long gone. I'm like, well, there's a moth thingy in here, but it's expired. So even if That you would still have it, you wouldn't know, because it would have, you know, then we need to, if you have a mothbomb, we need to replace the plastic thing in there, or go for a cedar block, or a lavender bag, or something else.

[00:24:56] But the problem is, there's normally multiple of these, and they completely block up the flow of being able to move your hangers back and forth. And they kind of get stuck and in the way, and then they fall in the bottom of the wardrobes, or they're just... Not used 

[00:25:13] Lesley: anymore. I can't, I can't really get past thinking about you having an internal giggle.

[00:25:19] I know, 

[00:25:19] Ingrid: but it makes me, it makes me giggle. I'm like, let's see. Oh, this is like a year ago. 

[00:25:26] Lesley: You're easily pleased, aren't you? I just, 

[00:25:30] Ingrid: I just love, you know, I love, I love making the transformation. It makes me incredibly happy. It's so nice. 

[00:25:36] Lesley: Here's the thing, it makes me happy as well, Ingrid. I just don't know.

[00:25:41] Honestly, it's like it's only Ingrid that loves this transformation, that I never like these 

[00:25:45] Ingrid: transformations at all. No, but it has to do with cleaning. You know me, I just... 

[00:25:50] Lesley: I know. Makes me happy. Let's not get started on that. So that was number nine, Ingrid. And now we are on to number ten. 

[00:25:58] Ingrid: Yes, number ten indeed, Lesley.

[00:26:01] Things that don't belong in your wardrobe, like presents. We see a lot of presents being hidden in wardrobes. Kind of at the back of in the boots, behind the coat, behind the trousers. There's suddenly a present for somebody. 

[00:26:21] Lesley: Yeah, and there's a reason why presents end up there, for obvious reasons, yeah, because sometimes we do have to hide things.

[00:26:28] But it shouldn't be a permanent resting place for presents and gifts, should it? It should be something that's kind of transient, that just happens, and what happens is we put them in there. We hide them, we forget we've hidden them, and then we find them like a year later, don't we? And then they're just like useless.

[00:26:44] Yeah. And so really keep, keep on top of that kind of thing. If you want to keep outgoing presence in your wardrobe, it should only be there for a short amount of time and not 

[00:26:52] Ingrid: permanently. Yeah. Yeah. So it's worth digging through, kind of pulling your clothes to the side a little bit and go, what's lurking in here?

[00:27:02] Yeah, 

[00:27:02] Lesley: exactly. Exactly. So that was quite a good little list. I think 

[00:27:08] Ingrid: I, I, I think probably when we finish this podcast, we're going to think of five other things, Lesley, that, that could have been in wardrobes that shouldn't really be there, but I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. So that is the 10 things podcast for this week.

[00:27:24] Next week, we are talking about sentimental jewelry. So we look forward to seeing you then. Thanks so much for listening and see you next time.
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