Episode 412 – When Summer Throws You off the Decluttering Track

Ingrid: Summer is meant to feel lighter, brighter, and a little bit easier. But if we're honest, it doesn't always feel that way. When the heat ramps up, holidays are booked in, routines go out of the window, the kids are home more. Life feels a little bit more fluid. It can also feel like everything is getting slightly out of control, and we're going to leave everything till September.

The motivation to do anything about it can completely disappear. So today we're talking about why summer can throw you off track and why that's totally normal, and most importantly, how to keep things ticking along without ruining your summer.

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Hello, Lesley. Here we are again with a new podcast and we're talking about the summer. I love the summer. Is it one of your favorite seasons or are you more of a spring winter kind of person?

Lesley: It's a really interesting question. I do love the summer 'cause what's not to love? Do you know what I mean? There's a lot of nice

Ingrid: Hmm.

Lesley: There's sun's shining most of the time. you do a lot more things socially, I think. But I do actually really like. The changes in seasons,

Ingrid: Mm.

Lesley: do for me for it to be summer all the time.

Do you know what I mean?

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: it's nice when you've got a proper transition. That's one of the things that I really loved about the states. The, the, the, the seasons were so, I mean, I was in New Jersey, so the seasons were so defined. It was full blown winter. In winter, full blown spring. In spring and so on.

And I just used to love it. and here we do have a bit of a kind of, you know, you might get a bit of summer in. April you might get, do you know what I mean? Like here it's all like, oh, you're not quite sure what's going on. But generally it is that little bit warmer and that little bit more

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: I think in the summer. But that can completely throw you off track if you're on a decluttering journey, can't it? And that's what we're here to talk about.

Ingrid: Yeah, definitely. I think it's really true. I mean, I think in summer we kind of think, oh, you know, I think we've got some of the longer light here that we have. We suddenly have a lot more longer light, so it feels like, oh, suddenly, you know? I mean, of course if I look at myself, I'm like, oh, I can play tennis.

Because it's like light, like late and it sounds good, and you maybe go for a walk a bit more often. You might just sit in the garden a little bit more often. So all of the structures that you normally have kind of around life and. You know, not, maybe not going to bed a bit too late. You know, when, when you're like in the garden with like, you know, sitting there and it's nice, like lovely, like kind of lush summer evening, you're a bit like, oh no, I can't think I work tomorrow yet.

You know, I mean, so yeah, I think we get a bit, get in the holiday mood, although we might not even be in holiday. Normal life still resumes, but we think, oh, don't worry, it won't be well tomorrow.

Lesley: No, exactly, and I, and I think that's okay, and I think that's completely normal, but I think if

Ingrid: Yeah,

Lesley: know, if you start decluttering and you plan that you wanna do this for a few months, for a year, whatever that might be, you can feel as if. Summer is taking you off track, can't it? And

Ingrid: yeah,

Lesley: it's

Ingrid: yeah.

Lesley: how that affects you, whether that's okay, how to deal

Ingrid: Mm-hmm.

Lesley: to cope with the fact that. It's not quite the same as it's in winter when you can devote all your time indoors when you wanna, it's real. A lot of it's about being outdoors really, isn't it? When you're outdoors, you're not indoors doing decluttering, are you? So let's talk about kind of summer in general. 'cause it's something that comes up a lot in the inner hub.

We have a lot of members who are like, oh, I just feel as if I've gone off track a little bit. Because it's the summer it's one of the things that we are like. Decluttering is not a linear journey like it will ebb and flow and you're supposed to have a good time as well as just be a slave to your house doing decluttering. That's

Ingrid: Mm-hmm.

Lesley: for anyway, isn't it? So that you can enjoy the fun time, you can enjoy the sun, the sunshine. You can enjoy that spontaneous glass of wine in the garden when you've got a balmy summer evening. That is why we spend so much time decluttering our homes so that we can be spontaneous and we can enjoy things. So

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: a little bit about the types of things, particularly that our members talk about quite a lot. It comes up more than you would imagine, right, England, because people are a journey and they really want to succeed and they don't want anything to take 'em off track. So what type types of things take 'em off track?

Ingrid: I think a lot of, our members talk about, well, I'm, I'm going away this summer a couple of times, or a couple of long weekends or a longer trip, and now I can't spend time on my decluttering because before my holidays or my vacation, I need to prepare to go on holiday or vacation, and when I come back, I need to make sure that I tidy it all up because I don't, I'm, I'm now.

No longer want to see suitcases seven weeks later, still in my bedroom. I want to unpack fully and I want to kind of do all of that. And we're like, good. And they're like, huh, but I'm not gonna decluttering. And I'm like, yeah, but live is not all about decluttering. Live is also about. Being able to go away sometimes at the drop of a head, doing something spontaneous, whether it's a day out or a long weekend, or a pre-planned trip that you've been looking forward to for months, that's also part of life.

You can't be decluttering 24 7, but I think all of the decluttering will help you. Get, get fast, ready, faster to when you come back from holiday, being able to unpack faster because there's a lot more structure and things. Instead of seeing suitcases seven weeks later, you're like, no, I know where all the stuff goes.

I know I have to plan time in my diary to do the laundry and all of that. So going to the holiday is a good thing in our opinion. Right.

Lesley: Definitely, and I think, you know, you talking there about people getting in a bit of a panic with holidays because if you have lived a fairly chaotic life at home for a number of years, if not decades, then you think about what a nightmare it is. And actually if

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: to make those shifts in your home, as Ingrid says, and you started to declutter and you started to assign homes for things. It gets easier, you know? It really does get easier. Of

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: it takes preparation to go on holiday, but it doesn't need to take weeks. But our minds take us to the time when it did take weeks before we went and when we came back because there was kind of chaos at home. And so just think that slowly but surely that's gonna get that little bit easier. And I think, you know. Decluttering is not a linear journey. It's really, really important for us to, to kind of reiterate that we need ebbs and flows in our year, and we will have ebbs and flows. We will have holidays, we will have fun times, we will have curve balls. It's not just all fun stuff that takes us off track. It's other stuff as well, and the whole, you know. Managing a decluttering journey is as much about the the bad times than it is the good, not the holidays are bad. Times the off, let's call it the off peak times and the peak times. You know, it's about managing the ebbs and flow within that decluttering journey.

That's where the real skill is, so you don't get

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: when you are going on a trip for three weeks. You're like, okay, I'm going on my trip for three weeks and I need to plan around that and I need to, you know,

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: do before I get back. Make some notes, know what I, exactly what I wanna do when I come back. And so

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: of decluttering. That's the skill of building up your decluttering muscle to understand that it's not this linear journey. It will have ups and downs, I think as well as holidays. Ingrid, we've got kids, right? So some of have got kids at home and that really does set the cat amongst the pigeons, particularly in the summer holidays, right?

Ingrid: I think also if, even if we don't have kids at home, if we, if we have kids at university, they come back. You know what I mean? They come back with all of their stuff and their laundry and you're like, literally, my house was tidy like two hours ago, and now they're all back with all of their stuff. What happened to my nice tidy organized house?

It's like exploded and all of a sudden. The time that we, you always used to have dinner. It's like, yeah, but I, I'm, I'm used to eating later at uni. Mom, I don't want to eat at six o'clock now I want to eat at eight o'clock. And you're like, yeah, but you don't have to get up in the morning. But I do, and I wanna have dinner at six.

And you try to kind of manage those things that you normally have until your routine. All go out of the window just a little bit because of maybe you've had a nice day out with your friends and the, and, and all of the kids and you come home later than planned or your, your kids that are now maybe and the end of their teenager like, yeah, but I've been out all day in London and I first wanna chill for a while and I'm not ready to help and do dinner and all of that.

And he's like, yeah. Still, you try to, I think, keep things in a sort of routine, but you just very regularly go, what? What happened here? We were doing so well, and now it's all gone out of the window.

Lesley: I think it's really interesting that whole routines things. I mean, I know, in other, other parts of the world that the, the summer holidays in particular are much, much longer here. We typically have. Six, maximum seven, eight weeks here. But I know in the States it can be like 12 weeks holiday. That's all that is long.

Right? That is a lot of time with your kids. wonder they have summer camps and stuff like that. but I think that people love. It is kind of an equal measure. You've got some people who love the lack of routine, so for some it's just a,

Ingrid: Mm-hmm.

Lesley: change, isn't it? You go, how nice that I don't have to drag the kids up in the morning on the school run,

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: school, do all of the lunchboxes and all that kind of stuff. and then, but typically what happens by the end of the school holidays, people are like, okay, ready for a bit of routine back now. I enjoyed it and that's,

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: that's this kind of non-linear thing that we were talking about before. It's good to have a change and to, to ch a change of pace, but it's also

Ingrid: Mm-hmm.

Lesley: back in the saddle again.

Really, really important. But one thing's for sure. If you've got little kids or if you've got teenage kids, or if you've got anybody else that's suddenly at home, that are normally out of the home, then it is gonna disrupt things and it's gonna mean that you're not gonna be able to do all of the things that you were able to do before. Or indeed, it might mean that because you don't have to do all those things with them at school, you have a little bit more time to do things as well. So it can

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: both ways, but I think in general.

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: Our normal structure is gone a little bit, and so we have to think about that and we have to work around it.

Is that that, you know, the structure is, is kind of dissipated a little bit, isn't Ingrid?

Ingrid: Yeah. Yeah. I think what you see a lot is that often the kids go to bed much later of course, because it's much longer light as well. So they're like, it's not eight, it's not eight o'clock because it's still light. It's like, no, no, it's already 10. You know, you have to go to bed, but they're hopefully sleep in a little bit longer.

But so you pattern changes and a lot of, a lot of the moms kind of at the end of the end of the summer go, oh, I need to start putting them to bed and like early now, because otherwise next week we're gonna have a nightmare. Trying to get them off and out.

Lesley: know. It is all a bit of a nightmare really. I think as well, one of the things that we see quite a lot with our members in the Inner Hub is. And the, again, this is a natural thing. We wanna be in the garden doing the gardening, and then all of a sudden, as soon as summer kicks in our garden, that for the most part, laid a little bit dormant and didn't require as much attention in the winter or the autumn, or even the spring now requires a whole lot of attention to keep it looking nice.

And so we can refocus our attention. Into the garden away from the home. And so we see that quite a lot and that's okay. But again, it's trying to find some of that balance. And so the garden calls in the summer months, depending on whether you're a keen gardener or not.

Ingrid: Yeah, I think it's really, I, I think it's something that's always underestimated. we, you know, we have our members who absolutely love their gardens, whether it's a small garden with lots of poles or a larger garden with trees and things. It's, it's almost like. It's like a almost a surprise how much time it takes.

So if you are a keen gardener and you know that, ooh, I have a big garden, which needs a lot of head streaming and grass cutting and pruning and keeping tidy and weeding and, and jet washing patios and all of that. It's even more important to really spread that out a little bit because it, you can't have the case like, well, I've now been three months in my garden, but garden looks amazing, but my house is completely neglected, not done anything there.

And then you feel like you have to start from scratch a little bit again. So we always go find the balance a little bit. You know, you can't only focus on indoors. You also have to do, of you're only con, sorry. You can only not focus on outdoors. You have to keep. Indoors ticking over as well, so it doesn't all kind of fall down again.

And you have to start from the beginning in your feeling because it's just completely gonna build up. And you're like blissfully unaware, sitting in your beautiful, nice garden. It's like, oh, hold on a minute. That's what we wanna avoid. There's massive peaks. Andros, we are gonna want a bit more balance in that.

Lesley: Absolutely. And you know, depending on where you live in the world, I mean some, to be fair, like if the heat get rises in this country, the whole place comes to a complete stand still. 'cause we don't have air conditioning for the most part, but the heat. Whether you are, you know, kind of, it is somewhere where it gets, it hits a hundred degrees in the summer, or whether you're here where it hits 80 degrees and the whole place comes to a standstill that is gonna impact your energy, your patience and your tolerance and

Ingrid: Yep.

Lesley: might be the

Ingrid: Yep.

Lesley: thing when you are like a bit of a sweaty mess inside your house.

And so we need to think about that heat as well, don't we? But it does have a, it does. Make a difference. And there are certain places in your home that are gonna be off limits. You know, when it's like 80 degrees. loft is gonna be off limits, right? Because it's absolutely roasting up there. Your greenhouse, your conservatory is probably gonna be off limits because it's too hot for you to declutter in there. So we need to think about where we're working when the heat starts to ramp up, if it hopefully does Ingrid in England. But, and the, with, with that summer, with that heat, with that sunshine and that additional light, we see more clutter, right? Like it's

Ingrid: Yeah. Yeah.

Lesley: the dust is there, the clutter is there. It's just that little bit easier to see, isn't it?

Ingrid: Yeah. Yeah, because I think we, we kind of, you know, start to open the curtains and the windows and we're like, oh yeah, let's let some light. And we're like, oh, you know, and now I, I always see, now I can see how dirty my windows are. I need to go into action when the sunlight is like. Beaming on your house, and I think it's the same thing.

You start to see stuff more and you start to kind of see, Ooh, I do need to put a little bit more in. But again, when it's hot, you just don't wanna go overboard. You wanna reserve a little bit of that energy. So what we wanna get away from, is that all or nothing mindset, like two Hals can't do anything. No.

Even if it's hot, you still, you know, you need to do a couple of resets. You still need to do a couple of little bits. You might not do a full blown declutter of a wardrobe, but there's still things that need to be ticking over. You know, you can't just go or, or like if it's in wheat, it's too dark, too cold, can't move, need to sit on the sofa with a blanket.

Same doesn't work when you just do a little bit all the time and you get away from that all or nothing mentality. It's gonna help you so much.

Lesley: So, I mean, there are many other things that might stop you from, decluttering in the summer, but one of the big ones I think is, is this kind of September becomes almost like a January, doesn't it? So

Ingrid: Mm.

Lesley: this quite a lot in the decluttering world. 'cause you know. Energy and desire to declutter ebbs and flows throughout the year. And the biggest times that we see, we see obviously January, you've got that new year. New year, we see a little boost in spring when we've got a spring clearing thing. Then it kind of wanes a little bit. Then we have a little boost in September, and then we have a little panic just before Christmas. So those are the kind of key

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: that we see in the Decaling world that people are at the most active. And so we definitely have, if we're sitting there in sort of July, early August, we are a little bit like, wait till September and do it once the autumn comes around, or once the kids go back to school or whatever that might be. So we definitely have that, I'll start again in September mindset, and that's something that we, it can be a good thing, right? But just be aware, this is not about saying that these things are bad, it's just about saying that, be aware that these things are the psychological, emotional things. That stop us from keeping on top of things. So yeah, it's not sounding so good at the moment. It's all like, yeah, it's like a lot. Like why would you ever do any decluttering in the summer? But we are going to come back after the break and we're going to, we're gonna keep you on that treadmill of decluttering, aren't we? Ingrid with some little handy hints and tips.

Ingrid: definitely. We'll see you after the break.

Hi everyone. Welcome back. We're talking about how the summer can sometimes kind of throw you off the decluttering tracks, and that's what we don't want to happen. Yes, we do want you to enjoy the summer. And go out and sit to your garden, but we don't want you to go. Well, it's nice weather. Not gonna do anything too hot, too bothered.

Can't do it. It's nice weather. Not gonna do anything. That's what we wanna avoid. So Lesley, let's talk about then what kind of strategy people can kind of deploy themselves to kind of hang in there.

Lesley: It's interesting, Ingrid, because we've just done our, monthly momentum, haven't we? For the summer. A lot of our members are talking about, their plans for the summer and we've been passing this message on to them that actually we need to lower our expectations of what we're gonna do a little bit.

Doesn't mean to say that we wanna stop. We definitely don't want you to stop, but we do want you to. To know that it's okay to have a break, to allow yourself the time to have a little bit of fun and all of those things that we spoke about before the break. So, we were saying, you know, look at your diary.

Look at what's likely to happen. Look at the pattern. Do you go out spontaneously in the summer? Is the weather looking like it's gonna be nice? Do we want that barbecue? Have we got a party? Have we got a holiday? Let's. Build that into our schedule and work around it. Really, really important. So it's important to let go of that perfection.

Ingrid: Yeah, I think so too. And like you said, Lesley, I think it's okay to not want to declutter all day every day. We need to rest as well. A lot of people, who struggle with clutter also struggle with energy levels and, and, and possibly struggle with. but with, with physical disabilities or anything like that.

You need to build in rest. It's not all go, go, go, go, go the whole time, and that's okay. But what we don't want you to do is come to a complete standstill because then to start the train back up again is a bit like, oh, I'm gonna do that. So just. Have a bit of a break, but don't come to a complete standstill.

Kind of keep chugging along a little bit. Slowly but surely. Be a tortoise. You don't have to be a hair all the time. Be a tortoise and kind of go, okay, I'm just gonna do a few little bits here and there. Just keep myself taken over and I'm gonna just. You know, when the time's right for me and when I feel good, or suddenly when there's a, a day when I don't have any plans, I'm gonna spend a little bit of time in my house.

I'm gonna spend a little bit of time in my garden. I'm gonna little spend a little bit of time on me and just find a little bit more of that balance in that day.

Lesley: I think because the more that we avoid things, Ingrid it, it builds that mental and physical clutter,

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: If we start to

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: to procrastinate, if we start to kind of. Play into that September feeling where we'll leave it, we'll do it later, I'll do it later, I'll do it later.

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: does just escalate and it adds to the stress, whereas if we just keep things on a little bit of an even keel, it can really like your future self.

Will definitely. Thank you for it.

Ingrid: Mm

Lesley: about,

Ingrid: mm.

Lesley: to solve everything. You don't need to declutters if your life depended on it, but you just need to make sure that you stop things escalating and getting worse. That's really, really important. It's just about

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: I think that's the message today really, isn't it?

Ingrid? If.

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: by the way. We don't have to slow down, but if we have all of these things being thrown at us during these summer months, we can slow down and knowing that it's okay to slow down. We just don't want everything to slide rest and recuperation and a change in pace is super, super important.

But total abandonment of all of our plans will lead to more stress.

Ingrid: yeah. I think Lesley, I think it's interesting, isn't it? Because, I was actually, looking at, we have a lovely, message board in our inner hop called the Hop Hangout. And, one of our members was actually saying that she did a job recently. She'd been procrastinating about it for ages and only to find out it only took her 20 minutes and she was so happy that she'd done it because, so sometimes when we think about something for a long time, it's sometimes quicker just to do it right.

Even if it's summer when we, when we think, oh yeah, we'll do it later, or we'll do it tomorrow, we'll do it in September. We're like, hold on a minute, wait a minute. No, that's not smart because. It's not gonna help me. I, I'm, I'm better off doing a few bits now and I think especially we see that with no, our non-negotiables, right.

Lesley: Yeah, definitely. I think, you know, if all else fails, we need to keep things ticking along, don't we? Ingrid? And that's what's super important. So I think it's not always about decluttering per se, it's, you know, sometimes it's just like, let me get the basics right. So we need to really tune into our non-negotiables and keep everything ticking over. you know, with all of the things that life is throwing at us during the summer. Particularly if we've got children at home and the lack of routine, it's quickly gonna go out of sync if we don't keep on top of those. So I think even if those non-negotiables may be different for summer.

So really look at 'em and go, what are my non-negotiables gonna be for the holidays, for the school holidays? And how can I make sure that I keep on top of them? And you know, you've got a different, there's a different schedule here. We've got kids at home potentially. And so can those non-negotiables include them?

You know, can we introduce different things? Can we make sure Then potentially during the summer that we go, okay, kids, we've got six weeks here. one of those days, out of one of those weeks, we're gonna focus on your bedrooms and we're gonna start looking at ties. We're gonna start looking at your, clothes.

And I mean, you know, we, we can sit here and say it's a fun activity. Some kids are gonna find it a fun activity come, some kids are gonna think it's the worst thing in the entire world, but we. Let's lay the ground, let's lay those rules out right at the beginning of the holidays and say, I'm gonna take, I'm gonna do my bit for you.

I'm gonna take you to see your friends, take you to the park, take you on holiday. But what I want in return from you is that you give me a little bit of time and we're gonna really focus some attention on certain, some stuff out as well. So it might be that

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: wanna do. That makes more sense in the holidays.

Ingrid: Yeah, definitely. And I think it can also be a great, you know, opportunity to go, hold on a minute. They've had a bit of an easy life here in this house. This is the moment to kind of spend a little bit of time on. You have to become part of helping a little bit with those non-negotiables. Can you grab that load of laundry that's getting there upstairs?

Can you bring it downstairs for me or bring it upstairs for me? Can you load it in the, in the, in the, in the washing machine. Can you hang that up? Oh, you dunno how to do that, right? Perfect opportunity for me to teach you how to do this because you know. I also wanna have a nice holiday and it's all not down to me here either.

So, and some of the kids, you know, love it and they're on board and of course the younger you start with this, the, the better normally it is. And of course, you know, when they're teenagers, everything else you're gonna go, I spent so much time teaching you what's, what's going on. But just because they're grumpy.

but you know, I think it's also an opportunity to go. It's not all fun. Also, things have to be done and keeping helping, keeping the house tidy is a part, an important life skill and a life lesson that they need to learn as well, and not because it's the holidays, they get a free pass and they can just do whatever they want.

I was like, no, you need to help here as well. Why are you loading the dishwasher, unloading the dishwasher this way? We need to, we need to reset it a little bit. Or can you help with walking the dog or now is the perfect time for you, for me to teach you how to wash the car, whatever it is. You know what I mean?

It's not all, oh, well there's three months off or six weeks off and it's all gonna be fun all the time. That's not life. They have to help. Exactly what you're saying, Lesley. There will be enough fun stuff to do. And even going to the park, you know, it's a great day out. It doesn't all have to cost loads of money.

There's tons of stuff you can do. You could even do a little picnic in your garden, you know what I mean? But just go, Hey kids, while we're at it, let's have a look at your garden toys and are you still playing with everything while you're, while you've got everything out anyway, so you can start to kind of.

Combine it a little bit instead of all waiting for when they're not there in school or they need to learn how to help as well and learn how to let go of stuff and to declutter and things. But yeah, all good intentions and all that.

Lesley: the, you've extracted all the fun outta summer, haven't you? In one. Poor kids like cracking the whip at them. It's not all fun, you know, like you gotta do decluttering and sort the dishwasher out. Yeah. So I think really what we going to say in this podcast, if you're feeling a little bit as if your decluttering is going slightly off track, it's not because you've failed, it's because life is different in the summer.

It just has a

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: and a different path. It brings like a

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: rhythm almost, and instead of fighting against it, just work with it. What can you do

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: within that different rhythm rather than fight against it and just down in tools and forgetting about it till September. This is perhaps not the time for huge transformations.

As Ingrid says, we just need to potter away. See opportunity when you can't, particularly if you've got kids at home if there's no decluttering on the agenda, you're like, it's the last thing that I can do. It's definitely about keeping on top of those resets, maybe introducing more resets 'cause you might need them. And so yeah, a little as always goes a really long

Ingrid: I know.

Lesley: it? Ingrid?

Ingrid: I know, I know, I know, I know. It's all about breaking it down, so listeners.

Make you think ahead a little bit, right? Like, how is this summer gonna work for me? When are the times that we're gonna be away? What are the busy days? What's a really busy weekend? And, and with lots of plans and fun stuff, so nothing's gonna happen, but hold on a minute. There are also a few evenings or days here and there that we can maybe do a little bit.

What are those non-negotiables that are absolutely non-negotiable? Maybe you're like, you know what? Dish washing and laundry and recycling and trash. That has to be done. Everything else can be a little bit more flexible. yeah, have a little ponder about it. Have a little think about that because that will help you over the summer.

And like we said before, this is all about you. Enjoying as well. And that's what having less clutter can definitely help you with. If you have less clutter, you'll have more time to do fun stuff, and, and that's all we want for you. So all the best intentions here.

Lesley: equals more fun. Is that, is that as simple as that, Ingrid Less clutter

Ingrid: Yes,

Lesley: fun. Look how much fun

Ingrid: Definitely.

Lesley: single day. And that's all because we've got less clutter in our lives. Anyway, that is time for us to go.

Ingrid: Yes.

Lesley: much for listening.

And of course

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: we'll see them all next week.

Ingrid: Yeah. Can't wait. See you then.