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Episode 87 – Avoiding self sabotage when decluttering

Avoiding self sabotage when decluttering is a vital component of your journey. Decluttering can be a life changing project, but it's important that we start to shift our mindset too, so we no longer bring things into our homes that we don't need.
When we are out shopping, there are so many things where control is taken away from us - we bow to pressure from marketeers, emails and sometimes even friends and buy things we hadn't intended. It's so important to shop intentionally to avoid self sabotage when decluttering our homes.
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Intro  0:07  
Welcome to today's episode of The declutter hub podcast, your channel for super easy, no nonsense advice on how to declutter and organise your home. Please welcome your host professional organisers, Ingrid Jansen, and Lesley Spellman.

Ingrid  0:31  
Hello, and welcome listeners to Episode 87 of the declutter hub Podcast. I'm Ingrid. And I'm Lesley. If you have clutter and want to sort it out, this is the show for you. Now, in today's episode, Lesley and I are talking about things to avoid when decluttering your home. In our podcasts, we talk a lot about what you need to do when you're decluttering. So today, we're going to flip it around and we're going to tell you all the things you shouldn't do when decluttering. And it's quite a little list, isn't it, Lesley?

Lesley  1:04  
It is. I know. I mean, some of these are going to be really obvious, but they will absolutely be things that people are doing all the time that are kind of sabotaging that decluttering efforts. So we're not talking about when you actually decluttering things not to do. We're talking about how to avoid stuff actually coming in in the first place, really, aren't we?

Ingrid  1:23  
Yes, yes, for sure. And we were writing and preparing this podcast, and we just came up with quite a list. And I was like, I think it surprised us ourselves. We were like, Oh, this is actually quite a lot of things we can do. So the stuff doesn't even come in. So we don't even have to declutter it. So I think this is a win win.

Lesley  1:42  
It's all about changing your mindset in terms of stuff, isn't it really, and really thinking about it. And there's no more time any criticals only when you are hyper focused on that decluttering project, you do not want anything to sabotage your efforts. And so number one, then Ingrid, what's the first thing that you I think it's a bit obvious this one, isn't it? Yeah. It's something that a lot of people love to do.

Ingrid  2:06  
Yes, a lot of people love going to car boot sales, or yard sales or charity shops or kind of, if you feel a bit like a bargain hunter, you're like, Oh, what is really good deal on this really kind of thing that might have been loved more expensive in the shops. So they drive to them, they go through them, they make a day out of it. And before you know it, you've got a car full of stuff with stuff you actually didn't even plan on buying in that morning.

Lesley  2:36  
In England, then we have car boot sales, which is different to what they have in the States. I'm not sure you and I have not got any experience of Australia. So we don't know what happens. There are other parts of the world, but certainly in our country have car boot sales, which means that we tend to drive to a place where there are other people with their car boots open with tables setup, with lots of stuff on it. And lots of different items, clothes, all kinds of random stuff on there that people are selling. In America, it works differently and people drive around from home to home and people set up things in their drive. It's a much better idea to be found easier, but and people put signs up to say the weather yard sales are that weekend. But it's a hobby, you know, carpeting and yard sales are a hobby for a lot of people. And that can be a little bit dangerous, particularly when you're decluttering. That often is why we need to declutter, because we've been going at our hobby of car boot sales or yard sales a little bit too fervently.

Ingrid  3:34  
What's the second one? Let's see if we could avoid

Lesley  3:37  
again, a really obvious ones we're going to come on to ones that are a little bit less obvious in a minute, aren't we? But a really obvious one is kind of avoid the sharps. I mean, it's easier said than done, isn't it but avoid the sharps and in particular avoid the sharps when there's all those things that are enticing you into that bargain hunting psychology that we just spoke about. So when there are big sales, Black Friday sales, Boxing Day sales, because what we do on those days is we don't really shop intentionally we shop based on price. And so we shop because it's cheap, would we buy it full price? Possibly not but we buy it because we think that we're getting a bargain and that's quite a dangerous psychology when you love stuff.

Ingrid  4:17  
You know what I think also you could kind of swept away in the moment a little bit. You know, when there's like books in the sales, everybody's like waiting for the doors to open there should be divide there. I mean, I've never done this before, but Boxing Day, I'm actually sleeping in undergoing shopping, but you see it on television, you see the people kind of trying to wrestle themselves into the shop and then trying to run to rails and grab stuff. And I think what you really need to do is at that moment, ask yourself, Why am I here? What What am I trying to achieve here? Am I just grabbing random things because they're at 70% off if you've got a good deal in the shop and it's a sale on and you're like okay, I need to I don't know replay Smart TELEVISION, what's your television broke down, you have to buy in television, you can wait until the sales you get a really good deal. That's not what we're talking about it we're talking about getting sucked into the hype because other people are trying to grab things of you and get to an item first. And it's a bit almost like a, it's turned into half a sport to get as much stuff as cheap as possible. But then you end up with bags and bags full of stuff in your house that never gets looked at, again, because she actually did maybe not even tried it on, you didn't even know if you'd like the fabric if you'd look good on you, and all of those kinds of things. So that's what we're talking about here. And I just got

Lesley  5:35  
this, I've just got this vision in my mind to view a Boxing Day or a Black Friday sale wrestling people off when you're trying to grab your cheap TV, I think it'd be a little bit scary. I'm not gonna lie. But when you see those people on TV boxing days, the day after Christmas day, just in case you didn't know. And people just got crazy for it. And it's like Black Friday sales were in the states then isn't it really, which is the day of Thanksgiving Day. So the theme that everything that was a day after a big holiday or whatever, people get into fights and like crazy stuff isn't that easy on the TV. But I've not my my son's birthday is on Boxing Day. So I have not been to the Boxing Day sales for years and years and years. And I'm glad to be honest, because I think intentional shopping, which we're big advocates of which really means thinking about what you want to buy before you go out and buy it or thinking about right, okay, well, if I'm going to go go and get something new today from the shops, what's going to go out of my wardrobe, intentional shopping goes completely out the window when we get wrapped up in the moment of finding a bargain.

Ingrid  6:35  
You know what I know some people just love, you know, after Christmas to go into the sales. And I'm like, That's my worst nightmare. I try not to go to the shops at that time, because I just made these because I like really tiny shops when I'm shopping. And I don't know that they don't feel a bit chaotic to me. So maybe that's not for me. But that has had does help with stuff coming into my house, I must admit. But it's not only the shops, it's selflessly, it's also the emails because we are now all signed up to the shops where we shop and say, Oh, can we just email you the receipts and then they have your email address. And then they start bombarding you with 70% off today or 30% off today, or we got a Blue Cross sale or we got to a special Mother's Day Sale, whatever it is. And then when you open your emails, you're like, Oh, let me have a quick look, see what the sales items are. But what happens you you see maybe one or two sale items, you then got sidetracked to the other pages on their website. And before you know you've got a basket full of

Lesley  7:32  
stuff. Exactly. I mean, the most important thing really with this is it's about knowing your own behaviours, isn't it, understanding your own behaviours. So know whether or not you are that person that is going to get wrapped up in the moment and buy something that you don't need. And there are plenty of people out there equally that will go to the Boxing Day sales, will shop completely intentionally will buy all the birthday presents Christmas presents for next year, whatever that might look like or might have stored up money to spend after Christmas, I'm not spending before I'm spending it or laughter That is intentional spending. So this is not everybody. So we're not saying don't do any of these things. Because some of these things are fun. I don't think the Boxing Day sales will be much fun. But a lot of these things are fun. You know, car boot sales for a lot of people are fun, because I said it's a hobby for people. But you just need to understand your own behaviours before you go. And if you are on a decluttering mission, sometimes it's not helpful. If you do have that personality, that means that you love that bargain.

Ingrid  8:31  
Another one we wanted to talk about is samples in shops isn't endlessly, you know, the obvious example here is you go to the makeup counter to buy a new mascara or a new lipstick. And they're like, Oh, it is by three, you get the cheapest three, or if you spend 25 pounds, you get this makeup bag for free. And then they try and give you other bits or you go to the perfume counter to buy a regular perfume. And they're like here, a try this sample. And here's a new cream. And here is a new little perfume bottle that you can try out because they want to give you all this stuff. And that's where we really say that is always a very, very slippery slope, isn't it to end up with lots of random stuff.

Lesley  9:17  
I think that the problem in this one with this is not necessarily the samples, it's the enticing you to buy another product to get the samples if that makes sense. So the samples of course add to the clutter as well. But in principle, you can use those up again, if you're very clever with this I do get samples if I'm buying two products, I will get that very rarely like the gift bag that it comes in. So that will go straight to the charity shop. But I will use up the sample. So there is an element of that which is good. It's nice to try new perfumes. It's not really a problem in itself. But you've already made a decision and actually I came in for one thing and I've bought two things or three things because it just seemed like a no brainer to do that. So then you're getting an excess of stuff that you'd don't need, you know, buying things that you don't need. So it completely flies in the face of intentional shopping again, doesn't it? Again, even with those samples, you then have to be very, very organised and find a way to use up those samples. And so if you've not got that system in place, I have got that system in place. So therefore, I'm not averse to getting samples at makeup counters, because I know that they will come into general use, or I'll give some to my daughter that she will use or whatever. Again, it's about knowing your own behaviours and having systems in place to work with these things that we're getting.

Ingrid  10:31  
Yeah, I think it's it's super interesting, because we see it all the time, Lesley that our clients and the members in our, in our membership, they have lots of stuff in their house that they haven't used up. And one of our members, she did a bathroom Declutter. But when we talk about toiletries, and she actually found out she had so many products, that she didn't have to buy any new stuff for seven months, she did not spend a one penny on toiletries, because in our bathroom course that she did in our membership, she followed our structure, realised how much excess of stuff she had. And she was like, I can't even believe it, this decluttering has really helped me focus on what I want to use and what I have. And then she just saved an incredible amount of money in the end. So she was like, she was like talking to us about it in our in our membership forum. And she was like, I am so happy that I'm doing this course because I've saved myself tonnes of money as well. And I'm getting much better in realising which products I do like to use. And I'm getting so much better at intentional shopping and not kind of taking other bits and bobs along when I'm in the shops anyway.

Lesley  11:48  
It's just reshift in that focus, isn't it. And she has changed her mindset completely over the months. And it is really focusing down on what you have and wastefulness and things that you've picked up and using things up. But it's a brilliant isn't it to see that extra element of decluttering, which is to save money, which sometimes we completely forget about. We've focused on the decluttering and the stuff that's going out. And we don't focus on the money that we're saving, which is a huge, huge benefit of decluttering. One of the things that's very much related to samples and things like that, is takeaways. So when you go to KFC or go to McDonald's or go to a fast food place, quite often you grab like a whole bunch of napkins, you grab sauces, you grab straws, and sometimes you grab more than you need, don't you or a takeaway give you extra things as well. And what we then do is we keep them in our fridges, we keep them to unsettle, we'll use that McDonald's sauce next week, I will use that extra mayonnaise that they gave us or use that salt packet. We all know whether we're guilty of this. It's like being a little Magpie really, and we just can't help taking anything that's free, we have this obsession with free. And so those kinds of things completely clutter up our homes. The bottom line is a sachet of salts that you've got for free from somebody it is not going to make or break your finances, but it will add to your clutter. So again, it's about being mindful before you accept those things. Also things like leaflets on streets if people you know people constantly handing out leaflets to you don't take them if you don't want them because you've got to deal with that when you get home and that's going to add to your paper clutter as well. So there are so many things where the decisions are almost taken out of our hands and we have to be super strong don't weigh to say no.

Ingrid  13:29  
And another one that I wanted to discuss is the hangers from shops that we get even without asking they pack the clothes in they take the hangers off or they want to put the hangers in your bag. I'm always watching like or whenever like an hour these now say in advance. I look can you please can I leave the hangers behind here please. I don't want the hangers because I know that I've got my nice thin velvet hangers that I really like. And the only thing that I'm going to do if they give me the hangers, I'm going to come home, take the clothes off, hang them on myself at hangers I'm gonna throw away the plastic hangers. And for me that feels super wasteful. So now I tried to be in front of that and instead of taking it and then me having to deal with them like saying to the show person can I please leave them here and they don't mind at all because they will reuse them. And that's another job that you then don't have to deal with. If you are thinking about a wardrobe declutter or if you are thinking about if this is something you can do have a look at your current hangers. See how does that look. If your hangers roll a mishmash in your wardrobe looks really messy. Maybe it's time to have a look at those hangers and then when you go shopping, leave them behind in the shops

Lesley  14:43  
because hangers really do add to clutter. They really do. Like most people have got a huge excess of hangers that they don't need. And it's a real mishmash of hangers. I mean, we're real advocates, aren't we if you can to do a hanger swap to have uniform hangers because aesthetically it looks better. But it's an extra NC move for a lot of people, because it can run to you know, you'd be surprised in your home just how many hangers you've got when you look at your whole family, it runs to hundreds of hangers normally. And so that's an expensive thing to do. So we always suggest to do it gradually. But really, this mishmash of horrible shop, given plastic hangers doesn't really help does it? So yeah, definitely get used to say no to the hangers.

Ingrid  15:24  
Another thing and this might be a tricky one, because it is these little markets, Lesley, these Christmas markets and craft markets and farmers markets. And they always have these beautiful little stands. And they have you first try samples of foods and drinks. And they're like, everything looks so good. That can be quite a tricky one to kind of say, Okay, I'm not going to try and buy anything here because it all looks so nice, doesn't it? It

Lesley  15:57  
looks so nice. It's small traders, you really want to do it things that are quite ingenious and clever, shiny new things. So yeah, ideal home show type scenarios, craft fairs. As you say, Christmas markets, farmers markets, they're a real tough one, it's really hard because this is definitely slap bang in our social world, isn't it. So we do these things, with our families with our friends for fun. And so it's slightly different thing than going to a lot of people shop for fun in normal shops. But then go into a Christmas market or Farmers Market feels like a treat, doesn't it because it was wrapped up in other things. It's wrapped up in food and drink as well, often there at certain times of the year. So this is a tough one. So what we're what we're not saying is don't go to the ideal home show, don't go to a farmers market, don't go to a craft market. Because that's a shame not to do that and not to experience that. But again, you have to know your own behaviours. And you have to be very, very strong, that you don't come away with lots of things that you don't need.

Ingrid  16:58  
I went to a lovely Christmas market in my daughter's school last year. And I actually spotted something that I thought, oh, that might be really nice. So I clocked it in my head, I didn't immediately go over and bought it. I kind of clocked in I thought, You know what I'm gonna have to think about it while I was wandering around. I thought it was a store with handmade soaps. And she did an amazing job, they looked amazing. And they were I thought, you know, there's a perfect little gifts to bring to my mother in law, my sister because we're staying with seeing all of them over Christmas. And actually, at the end, when I finished walking around, I went back to that store. And then I thought about, okay, who can I buy this. So I didn't just go over and randomly bought three or six bars or so not knowing what I was going to do with them. But I thought about it. And then I went back and I went okay, I would like to pick out three. And she had a deal for like, three for 10 pounds or something like I can't remember. But so I bought three I knew who I was going to give them to, I really felt good about supporting a local business. But I didn't then go to six other places and pick up all these other handmade things. I mean, fantastic things, but I just thought I want to be realistic and what I'm actually going to use myself or what I'm going to give to other people. So maybe what could be really helpful is to set yourself a little bit of a budget, if you go to these types of things. And you know you love it, and you're gonna spend lots of money to set yourself a budget and go, You know what my budget for today is, I don't know, 10 pounds or 20 pounds or 50 pounds or $50 or however much it is. And that's my max. So if I know I'm normally always overspending at these type of things, I'm going to just gradually cut down on this and instead of spending normally $100 I'm only going to try and spend $50 And that way you can also then work on getting less clutter in your house. And you know what I love when you go to a farmers market and you can buy this homemade apple juice so I love that kind of thing. Because those are also consumables and I know we all like apple juice so I know it will be used up and then it makes much more sense instead of buying something random like a chutney which looks good. We are not a chutney family. So why would I buy a jar of chutney that I try on a piece of crap and think oh, that's actually nice, but I know that part of chutney is going to be my fridge for months to come nobody's going to touch it. And then it feels immediately like oh, you know that was a waste so I think it's also thinking it through a little bit so by all means go to a craft market go and support your local small shops because we love that but it's about being a bit strong yourself, assigning yourself a budget and really thinking what is going to happen with this stuff.

Lesley  19:46  
I always sit here sometimes and think that me and you are just complete killjoy is that you can't go shopping. You can't go to a farmers market. You can't do anything that's fun at all. It's all about decluttering I think It's about knowing your trigger points, isn't it and understanding what you're going to be like. I mean, I am like you is interesting when you were talking about the cheese and the chutney or whatever. My initial thing was chutney because you say, oh, try this give you a crack with beautiful cheeses beautiful chutney. And of course, like you eat chicken, if you go out to a restaurant would beautiful cheeses and things like that. But I'm not gonna get cheese and biscuits our home does not mean but I would still probably be in that mindset. Oh, it's nice that shortly let's get a little bit this chimney and have cheese and crack it you know something they would never ever do. You do get carried away in the moment don't Yeah, yeah, that's what it's all about. And these are things where other people's there's a compulsion there. I think this is the point there's a compulsion isn't there to spend. So the last thing that we want to talk about, again, this is really hard, because this is very, very social. And it's also talking about your friends. And so the last thing that we wanted to talk about was things like candle parties better where parties, Jamie Oliver parties, and summers, parties, even all of those types of parties that you get invited to by friends, where the idea is that they are going to get permission from anything that you spend. And so by our nature, we are going to feel obliged to spend something, aren't we if you went there, and you didn't buy anything, you would feel as if you would be judged by your friend, rightly or wrongly for not having spent any money. And so the amount of those parties that I've been to import things that I really didn't want, because I felt obliged to is a lot. But equally, as you and I were talking about, there are things that are bought from those kinds of policies that have been fantastic that are still in use today. So it's again, it's finding that do you actually need it? Are you going to use it? That kind of thing, that really being honest with yourself at the time, and try not to get wrapped up in this moment of? I'm going to have to buy something here because I'm gonna feel obliged. It's tough, isn't it? It's a really tough psychology to get over. What do you think?

Ingrid  21:59  
Oh, my gosh, you know, I haven't been to a lot of those parties. Because I think I'm always just very careful. Because I know I myself, I feel then obliged, I need to buy something. So I'm always quite careful. But I went to a Jamie Oliver party course many, many years ago, my friend organised it. And I think I went to two of them. She did one and then about a year later, he didn't have he didn't another one. And I actually at each of those parties, I bought one thing. I still have them, I love them. I use them. I think they're great quality. So but I really thought about it, I didn't during the kind of presentation already go okay, I want to have that. And that. And then I thought to myself, You know what? Yes, I do feel obliged to, to buy something. If I'm going to buy something, I want to buy one thing, and if it doesn't have to be cheap or expensive, and I want to buy one thing, but what is something that I can truly need and use and love? And I did well, because the two things that I bought, I still have and they've been absolutely brilliant. And one of them goes comes out like on a like a some sort of mixing bowl comes out on a weekly basis. The other one is a large cheese board because my husband and I do love a cracker should cheese less than we eat it on. So that's why I

Lesley  23:19  
just No, no job.

Ingrid  23:21  
And yeah, so that comes out like more when we have like friends over and we kind of get nibbles with crackers and cheese, and we've got the big cheese board that I actually think is fantastic. So but I'm really mindful when I go to a party that I don't end up buying stuff that I don't need. So I kind of try not to put myself in that situation as much. So that helps as well.

Lesley  23:45  
I think it's very similar actually thinking about it, too, when you're on some kind of weight loss programmes, things like Slimming World and Weight Watchers and that kind of thing. And one of the things that we've talked about all the time in classes is if other people trying to sabotage your efforts, and so even though people know that you're on this kind of Slimming World journey, or whatever that might be, they'll try and ply you with chocolate biscuits or make a meal that's clearly not slimming, well friendly. And it's all about pre empting that sometimes. And so sometimes the brave thing to do would be to say, You know what, I really, really want to come to the party. But I'm really focusing at the moment on having less and so if it's okay with you, I probably won't buy anything and just to preempt that and to take that guilt out of it from the start. It's tough. Food is easier, I think because people understand that it's a bit more tangible. I think it's important for other people to understand than to value the journey that you're going on if you're going through a big decluttering journey and to respect that. And the only way that they're going to do that if you explain it to them.

Ingrid  24:48  
I think that's actually a really good point. Or if they are used to you always buying and shopping to say I would love to come to your party, but yes, I am on a decluttering journey. So I know in previous parties, I might have bought a lot, but I'm trying to be, you know, really, really good. And I'm only maybe I'm only going to buy one or two things instead of my normal five, six, or seven or eight things. So just so you know. And I think that can help really, really well with protecting yourself already a little bit. And when you've when you've said it out loud, then you for yourself have also accountability. Or maybe self tell your friend if your friends coming and say, You know what, you know, I'm on a decluttering journey. Don't let me buy six things. If you see me buy six things, just before I put my credit card out, just say, Hey, are you sure you're going to need all of this?

Lesley  25:40  
So now we've extracted all the fun out of everyone's life completely? No, do we feel guilty about Ingrid? These are the things that you just really just need to stay home and declutter all day long, and never go out and buy anything. Again. That's what we're saying. No, we're not No, no,

Ingrid  25:57  
no, we're actually not I think we are. You know, I love going to a farmers market. I love going to Christmas markets. I love you know, I don't shop a lot. But when I go, I really enjoy it. I'm just very mindful with how I spend my money. And my time, I suppose the

Lesley  26:14  
point is, do you feel that you could go to one of those types of things and not buy anything and still get the same value out of it? Yeah, I

Ingrid  26:23  
think so. Because I always I always go a little bit for the food as well. So I want to try something new. Or, you know, they have a nice little place where you can try I don't know sausages from Germany, or drinks from a local farm or you can try local wine or you know, I think that for me, I think that's what I get my joy from as well, because I'm a bit of a, I wouldn't call myself a foodie, but I do love, you know, things, trying different things. So for me, that's also part of it.

Lesley  26:52  
Yeah, but that's consumable. So foods easier, isn't it? Because it's consumable. And for the most part, we are going to use it, although we do have to be careful with food as well. I mean, we've seen lots of excess of food from those kinds of things as well. Yeah. And we've been decluttering to Yeah, I think is a little bit easier than kind of general stuff that you get little craft markets and craft fairs and Christmas fairs.

Ingrid  27:10  
Yes, Lesley, it's all about being more mindful and shopping. And we are done. I think we're definitely we're not killjoys at all we do like going out. We do like having a little mooch around. But just a bit more measured. A bit more measured. I think that's our message here, isn't it? Lesley?

Lesley  27:28  
Definitely. All right.

Ingrid  27:29  
Well, listeners, what do you think? Has this episode make you think about your own behaviours? Are you thinking to myself? Oh, this was just utter killjoys, I this is not good for me, or are you thinking? You know what, actually, they have have a point here. I'm going to have a little mull over this, I'm gonna have a little think about this and think, What am I doing? What am I doing when I go out? When I go to a local farm or a garden centre? Or to most shops? How do I behave? How do I justify the shopping to myself? What do I do when I get invited to a candle party? Do I always pick up the hangers do I always get the samples. We hope the whole idea about this podcast that we hope this has made you think about what it is that you do and where you can maybe avoid a couple of things. So you don't bring all this clutter in your house. So that is the main message of this episode. And we hope you've enjoyed it. Thanks so much for taking the time to listen today. If you've enjoyed this podcast, please leave a review and tell us what you think about the show. And if you want to take your decluttering to the next level and you want our help and change your mindset like the member we spoke about, come and join us in our membership. You can find out more at members dot declutter hub.com. If you'd like to get more tips and advice, please follow us on social media. We are on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook as at declutter hub, and we've got a lovely supportive Facebook group where we chat all things clutter. Look for the cultural hub community on Facebook. If you don't want to miss the next weekly episode, subscribe to the declutter hub podcast on Apple podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher and iHeartRadio. And it will pop into your notifications each Friday. See you next time.

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Paula says:

10 February 2023 at 1:17 AM

I heard important information here and will listen again as a reminder. When I go to markets, yard sales most stores I leave my money in the car. If I need it/want it is it worth going back to the car for the money? Sometimes absolutely yes but most times no. Not that I’m lazy and can’t walk out to get the cash but in the time lapsed I lose the desire for the item.
Years ago I would fill up my wagon then I started to go put the items back. Again it gave me time to think. I realized it was the thrill of the hunt more than wanting to own. Good thing as now as I remove items from my home I realize how very much I saved with those two changes.

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1. Ingrid Jansen says:
  
  10 February 2023 at 5:58 PM
  
  Thank you Paula for sharing your thoughts. Wonderful how those two changes has helped you along the way to think about the items before purchasing.
  
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