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Episode 110 – How to stay on task when working from home

In this episode, we are talking about how you can stay on task when working from home! With a second lockdown period and many people getting the advice to work from home again if you can, Lesley and I thought it would be a great idea to chat about what you can do to stay on task when working from home.
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Intro  0:07  
Welcome to today's episode of The declutter of podcast, your channel for super easy, no nonsense advice on how to declutter and organise your home. Please welcome your hosts professional organisers, Ingrid Jansen and Lesley Spellman.

Ingrid  0:31  
Hello, and welcome listeners to Episode 110 of the declutter hub Podcast. I'm Ingrid. And I'm Lesley, if you have clutter and want to sort it out, this is the show for you. Now, in today's episode, Lesley and I are talking about how you can stay on task when working from home. I mean, with the second lockdown period looming here and many people getting the advice to work from home again, if you can. Listen, I thought it would be a great idea to chat about what you can do just to kind of stay on track of things when you're working from home and it's also national organising week it's sort of it's all coming together, isn't it? Lesley national organising week as well. So what is that all about?

Lesley  1:15  
Yes, national organising week. It's the week that all US professional organisers and declutter is getting very excited, isn't it? Because this is our own little Awareness Week. And so we have two per year, we have spring clearing week, which is in the spring, and it's all about decluttering. And we have national organising week, which is in November, and is all about, yes, you guessed it, organising. So the topic this year is all about how our homes have had to change to reflect us working from home most of the time now.

Ingrid  1:46  
Yes, and indeed, how we can get our homes ready for the future because we'll probably be working from home a lot more than ever before. And we kind of all said, Oh, this is going to be a couple of months. But now we're think we're all realising this is going to be a bit longer than we all expected. And we just need to think about how we can fit in the working from home and how we can really make it work in our own home. So let's say you and I were really involved with Abdo for many years, both of us, weren't we?

Lesley  2:18  
Yeah, we were so it's our it's kind of almost like a trade association, isn't it? And so, the whole idea behind Abdo is that everybody who signs up to become a member of Abdo is following a specific code of ethics and we there's a community and we all follow the same kind of guidelines we take our industry very seriously. We look at training we look at mentoring. And so if ever you wanted to work one to one with an organiser in your home, the biggest tip that we can give you is make sure they are an Abdo registered member.

Ingrid  2:49  
We know this, Lesley, because you and I were both in the board. Of course I was for your president of Abdo. I'm currently immediate past presidents. And you were also in the board for many years. And that's how we kind of ended up together, didn't we? You were my right hand. Although I really honestly listeners. I think I'm more of Lesley's right hand now. But at the time she was my redhead, but I think I now listen to Lesley all the time, and she tells me what to do.

Lesley  3:16  
Well, that's not true. But anyway, I'd like to think that it was but sadly I don't think it is. But I'm just laughing. I get I just say. So we kind of when we're when we're doing our podcasts, we don't script them. Obviously you can tell that we don't script them. But we do write some bullet points down and things that we're going to discuss. And Ingrid normally does always and so as is my want whenever she says anything that's funny from an English perspective. I try and pick her up on it not because I'm being mean, but just because I do genuinely find it really funny. So English has said you and I have been heavily involved with Abdo over the years. So it definitely was like heaven, wasn't it? Ingrid? When we were involved? I think you might mean heavily but quite like heavenly. I think that's more more well it was

Ingrid  4:01  
it was meant to be Lesley it was meant to be the you and I are now together, speaking to each other day and nights. And just doing the declutter hub and we absolutely it's heaven it is heaven, isn't it?

Lesley  4:16  
we digress as always with with me taking the mickey out of you for your little strange anglicisms that word. Get me back now but anyway, someone told me whether anglicisms is an actual word. Anyways, it's catching it's catching making it words. It's just completely catching anyway, we need to go back to working from home. We should not be laughing all the time. That is one thing that we should not do when we're working from home. Although, to be fair, it's certainly what gets us through our days, isn't it?

Ingrid  4:46  
Yes, definitely. And you know what, I'm just hoping that I mean, I take it on the chin. We have a great laugh and I think laughter gets you through the day for that is for sure. I mean, I've enjoyed working from home so much as well because we've been recording podcasts and laughing and making the most out of sometimes very tricky situation. And it's just me, in fact talking to you. And I hope that our cheerfulness and our laughter and our banter and our sentence craziness cheers you up as well, listeners, because we really, really hope that and that's why a main, so many people are listening. So I really hope that you do enjoy it. But I think that's

Lesley  5:21  
the point, Ingrid, the point is when the normal parts of your day, which means that you see people, you're normally in an office environment, or if you work in a shop, or a retail environment, or hospitality or wherever you work, you're seeing people all day, you know you're bumping into people are having little chats here and there. And that part of it completely gets stripped away when you're working from home. So what we have to do and and I think that online forums like zoom, like all of the different kind of the way that we're doing meetings now, sometimes it's much more formal. And it takes a while doesn't it to get into being the same, virtually as you are face to face. Now I have to say now we've been doing this for two years, virtually we have seen each other it's a year since we've seen each other face to face, isn't it, we definitely have the can have the same laugh virtually, as we do face to face without the wine, although we do try to do that as well. But we sometimes are afraid. And as at five o'clock when it's wine o'clock, we've had a long week, we've all had to shift and when that that word now that everyone's using, which is to pivot, we've all had to shift and pivot into working in a completely different way. So what we wanted to talk about today was really how our homes need to keep up and what we need to do with our homes to make that work. For us. The idea

Ingrid  6:35  
behind this podcast is, let's now go beyond the makeshift desk offers that was put together somewhere and now we realise that the working from home is probably going to be much longer. How can you set it up in your home, so you can stay on task and be more productive? And first where to start is decide on a place where you want to work from home? Can you maybe move a bedroom around? Do you need to place a desk somewhere from the beginning, I immediately went okay, we need to create some desk space here. And I'm now in the spare bedroom with a quite a good setup. I mean, it's not ideal, but it's taking me through. And the kids have a place to work as well. So we've really thought about how we're going to make it work in the home for everybody. Think about where's your ideal space? I think that's really important, Lesley?

Lesley  7:34  
Yeah, it is. And I'm sure there'd be a lot of people rolling their eyes now thinking if only if only I had a decent space to work. So we do know that it's not possible for everybody. But I think what we're saying is try if you can to think outside the box a little bit. Because sometimes when we live with a space, we struggle to see what it can be. So this is all about spatial awareness. And as declutters we have that, don't we we can see opportunities in every little thing in terms of moving things around. And what could this be? One of the things that I wanted to talk about quite often and this is outside of kind of Coronavirus times is quite often I was working in homes with people who were like, but I need my spare bedroom because my mom comes to stay. And there's clearly a need for a playroom and extra bedroom for a child. But the client is saying to me, but I need a spare bedroom for my mom, how often does your mom come and stay, she comes twice a year. If you're tight on space in your home, you have to use the space for what you're going to use it for 365 days a year, and not 10 days a year. So really make sure that you're utilising the space well. So if working from home and taking a bed out of a spare bedroom is what you need to do at the moment. While we're all faced with this, which could be going on I don't even want to say how long it's going to be going on for. But a while certainly a while yet I would say nothing's about to change imminently. And so really think is it going to be easier for me and easier and better for my well being if I've actually got a room that I dedicate to a home office,

Ingrid  9:05  
I completely agree or maybe you have realised, okay, I we have a dining room. While we always eat in the kitchen or we sit with trays in our lap and watch a bit of television together. Maybe you can repurpose the dining room temporarily as a home office. And maybe you just need to be able to put some stuff away in cupboards to create a space or maybe you need to just create some space in the dining room where you can maybe put some containers or a trolley where you can put some of your your paperwork from work that you need to keep close so you can easily tidy the way so in the weekend it can function as a dining room. So I think you have to be a little bit creative but the last thing we want is for you to kind of feel that you're one to work from home in a good and solid way but you're always trying to shuffle space for yourself. So I think that is I completely agree with you Lesley about the spread bedroom. And I'm lucky enough that I have space in my spare bedroom to slaughter deskin. So I'm not going to give up my spare bed just yet, but I hear you, I hear you, it's really, really important to make the house work for you and get it ready for the future. Now, the second thing I was thinking about, it's not only about the desk, right? It's also about the light in the room. Is it a dark dingy room? Or is it a very light space? Can you open a window? Or are you very a cold person, and you're now in a loft room somewhere, maybe you think yourself actually need to maybe get some curtains in here or some, some some carpet on the floor, or I need to get some extra lighting, it feels too dark, I've got a small window, so I need to get some extra light. And so I don't tire myself out the temperature in the room. You like I know you like very warm in your room. I like it quite chilly. So I rather have it colds because I work better. So I think you need to think about these things as well. It's not only about the desk, and or the place where you're in, but also how does the room work for your body and your system?

Lesley  11:14  
I think the issue is that for most of us, this was kind of forced upon us at short notice. And so we all tried to do something quite makeshift. If I think about you, you know you were talking about how you've got your setup, when we first went into lockdown in grid, you had to accommodate or for you know, we're all working from home, you're working home yawns working from home and the two kids were working from home as well, because was no school at that time. That's changed. Now thankfully, the kids are back at school. So it's not quite as bad as it used to be. But you were like, Yeah, we're gonna do it in this way. And we've got I've got my that Moroccanoil work downstairs, which is where we want to but very soon, within like three days, you're like this is totally not going to work because one person is talking Despard disturbing the other person. And if you're like because we're not used to work in an open office environment. And so we need the quiet, don't worry, you know, as soon as we get any distractions, we find it hard. And you need to know how you work. I know my husband was talking about that. His office, he was saying, I was saying I absolutely can't listen to music or anything like that. When I'm working I have to be completely distraction free. Whereas he was an I've never really worked in a an Open Office for well, not for many, many years. And he was saying a lot of the younger members of his team, listen to music through headphones, because they would rather listen to the music then listen to the noise of people on the phone all the time. And so it depends on the way that you work. And I think what we're saying is take some time, because this is going to be around for a little while now. Take some time to reconfigure that room. If it's not working for you perfectly. These things don't cost a lot of money. We can go to Ikea, we can buy the cheapest desk at IKEA is probably less than 25 pounds. This is not a crazy amount of money, you can get a desk you can get a decent chair and yes it of course you can sit with your laptop on your bed or on your sofa. But do you think that's the most productive way to work? And I think a lot of people are still in that kind of makeshift world. So we need to move this forward down wave.

Ingrid  13:11  
Yeah, and I think that kind of brings us in exactly into into the third thing that we want to talk about is indeed like the office chair, are you sitting still at the dining room table chair or have you now gone P beyond that and thought you know what I'm going to invest in an office chair. I've got one from I think it's IKEA and it was 70 pounds, it was not super expensive. It's super nice. And that is maybe the next step for you to go. Okay, I'm going to now really take care of my how I sit and that I sit properly. And that I have the armrests on the right level. And I might need to get a foot rest. So my feet don't my legs don't get really tired when I sit in this kind of temporarily kind of setting at home. I know my friend, I think she got her a company to give her special thing to put under her a monitor shoulder monitor was a bit higher up so it was better for her neck, maybe you need to get one of those specialists mouse meds to do you can rest your wrist. Because the last thing we want working be from a computer is really can be really tiring, especially if you're not used to it because in the office, you walk around you grab a coffee or chalk talk to your colleague for four or five minutes when you run into them in the hallway to talk something through about work. But when we're working at home at home, it's very tempting just to kind of get behind the computer and not move at all anymore. And it's just for your posture, and your neck and your arms and your legs and everything. That can be very much a strain and we just don't want you to tie yourself out. So this all sounds very much like but even if you maybe not even work but if if you do a lot of work on the computer with emails and social media and staying connected with family and friends, all of those things you need to think about that way about it.

Lesley  14:59  
A lot lot of bigger companies are thinking about that kind of thing with their employees. And they're saying, Have you got everything that you need and, you know, certainly from a tech perspective, or from an equipment perspective to make sure because they still have a responsibility to look after their employees, even though they're working from home. And so these things are really critical. And I'm sure that many of these things, they're not rocket science. So what we're saying here to you is not anything that you won't know yourself. But sometimes you just need that little reminder. Maybe this weekend, is the weekend, I'm going to try and make it a little bit ergonomically better for me. And work. I think that's the term is it? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I'm like, I'm just saying this term now. And

Ingrid  15:44  
I actually had to deal with it a lot when I was facilities manager for for a company in Holland. And I had 20 offices that I was in charge of, and we put in new desks and chairs at the time for for the staff in not only in their headquarters, but also in all of the offices around the country. And I was mainly responsible for that. And definitely they have, ergonomics is very important. It's the height of the desk, it's the chair, the settings in the chair, that you sit in a right angle with your back and your legs, it's really, really important. Because people can get really get like RSI in their arms, you know, it's you have to really think about pain in the neck and all of those things, because you have to have your computer at your eye level and not too low. So, you know, you can make shifted by doing putting a packet of printer paper under your monitor. That's one of the things she could do. But there are professional is professional equipment, a lot of people are now converted to standing desks, because that is apparently much, much better to work from a standing desk. I don't know if I could do that. But I know there are lots of companies looking into standing desks as well over the past kind of five to 10 years. So yeah, we need to think about these things when we work from home all of a sudden,

Lesley  17:03  
we absolutely do. And you know, we've we've touched on technology, you know, it's not surprising that that the Apple Store is still you know, queued out the actual door because everybody's buying new tech, because they need it now, because they're working from home. So a lot of retailers going down the pan, but Apple certainly is not. And so and a lot of the other computer companies as well. So but it's now's the time to think about Wi Fi to think about the phone line is that working for you and with your broadband. I mean, one of the things that we that I've done for quite a while that a lot of people you know, when I'm working with people are not aware of is that for certain printer companies, you can buy packages of print. So for example, it's it's difficult to explain isn't it, but you kind of almost buy a subscription to print in rather than buy your own cartridges. So basically, for me, I get sort of 250 pages, I think it is a month or something like that, which is enough for me and for my kids as well to print off what they need, and the company through Wi Fi. See when your ink is going low and they send it through to you. So you never have to buy an ink cartridge. But what you do instead is you pay monthly. So I pay I think I think I pay eight pounds a month. And it definitely is cheaper for me to do it that way. Because printer cartridges are expensive. And so I've worked it out, I've probably done this for three or four years now. And to do it in what that way. And you can do it 50 pages, 100 pages, 250 1000 whatever you need. And of course, that could be something that your company might pay for that you might be able to claim for an expenses.

Ingrid  18:36  
Yeah, we've done the same thing I think we swapped over last year. And it's been absolutely wonderful because we don't have to think about, oh, we're suddenly running out of printer cartridge. And there it is, it arrives to the post by magic. It's like who this is just so nice. So because the system itself keeps track, but I agree with you, Lesley, you know, do you need to upgrade Do you maybe need to get a better because we're all a lot on Google meets and Microsoft meet and zoom meetings and all of those things. Maybe you do need to get a better webcam and have it separately I have one that I've got separately on my computer with an extra light in it. So when we do filming, there's a light coming from the front. So all of those things can really help to make it all work for you. Now Lesley the million dollar question of course is and we're now working from home I don't think I've ever seen you work in your pyjamas.

Lesley  19:28  
It's not for everybody. And it's a personal thing, but for me, I need to feel like I'm going to work. So um, because we can't go it really go out as much I quite like actually getting dressed. Because well, because it made me feel better about myself. Do you feel better about yourself when you look better, don't you? So I know the camps are split, aren't they? But for me, getting ready for work and sitting at my desk at a certain time is an absolutely critical part of the success for that day. I'm so no I've never come to work in my pyjamas but I never to be fair and my friends think I'm crazy I've probably said this on the podcast before I don't even come downstairs in my pyjamas just mean I always get dressed before I even even if it's a weekend I get dressed before I come down that's just a little weird thing about my my friends are like what like never in your pyjamas sometimes a lot of time and never ever worn my pyjamas downstairs. But like 95% of the time before I get started, I dressed for the day.

Ingrid  20:31  
Yeah, me too. Um, during the week, I'm like, out of the bed, getting dressed then have breakfast. So I'm feel like I'm ready for work because I think it's just a ritual of picking out what you're going to wear. And of course, we're not wearing suits here or jackets, we've got kind of just jeans and a taupe and we dress up when we have to do any videoing for for the membership. But we do kind of really make sure that we look presentable and I think that is for me that mental shift about so in the weekend I do lounge about in pyjamas for a while, especially on a Sunday, but now I'm like always on the zoom with my mum and my sister on a Sunday morning. And I don't want to turn up every Sunday my pyjamas so now I'm giving myself some grace last Saturday. So I'm walking around for ages in my pyjamas on a Saturday trying to put her around the house doing stuff. And then on Sunday like right I need to get dressed. My mom, my mom and my sister don't need to see me every week chocolates.

Lesley  21:27  
I know. And for me makeup was a part of that. I've got to see myself on a zoom screen and I don't want to see myself without makeup. And so the makeup, the makeup goes on every day as well. So a lot of it is just pure vanity do not mean but anyway. That's that. So yeah, getting dressed for the day. I mean, it's personal choice in terms of whether that impacts your effectiveness. I feel it absolutely does. I've had those standards in play for a long time. It makes me I need to get dressed for the day. And I don't really put my pyjamas sometimes I might put some kind of loungewear on earlier on if I feel like it. But I don't really put pyjamas on it's kind of strange, isn't it? I don't know, what you do, of course, have to think about what you're going to wear in the same way that you do every day. Normally, when you're going out to work, don't you? So? And therein lies another challenge, Ingrid,

Ingrid  22:16  
we were thinking about this. And we're like, everybody probably wants to kind of not wear the same thing over and over again. So then we thought, how are people's wardrobes doing? Are you like, are they like really messy? You know, do you wear the same thing over and over and over again, and then listing I thought, we need to do a challenge about this, we do need to show we are so we're going to do another challenge. It's going to be another five day free. Reset your wardrobe challenge. So we just absolutely loved our latest shows that we did back in September. And we just thought we need to do something different this time. So how do we get everybody to start wearing some of the clothes that are in their wardrobe? So we're gonna start with another wardrobe challenge on Monday, the 16th of November. We're so I'm so excited about it, Lesley,

Lesley  23:09  
let's face it, England, we get excited about everything. Except for that podcast, we get excited by challenges. We get excited by like excitable little bunnies talking about decluttering to be fair, so what do we not get excited about? But anyway, tech. Tech is something we don't get excited about. Am I right? Yes, yes. Anyway. But yeah, all right. But yeah, the wardrobe challenge that's quite cool to November. So a couple of weeks away, get signing up, we'll put we'll drop the links and you can sign up. You know, the way we roll with our challenges and we would love to have you all on board to look at your wardrobes and don't think oh well. I'm not even wearing half my clothes. I'm not going out. Now's the time, take action, then you're ready to go. As soon as we get out into the big wide world properly again.

Ingrid  23:56  
Yeah, and maybe you find I mean, I was doing a wardrobe declutter did Emma and McClung like, well, I completely forgot the hat. This is perfect for when I have to work from home or do a meeting or and mix and match my wardrobe instead of wearing kind of the same old thing over and over again. So it's gonna be five days, we're gonna have live sessions, we're gonna have bonuses, we're gonna have a workbook, it's going to be absolutely fantastic. We'll drop the link in the show notes so you can all sign up. So come and join us for some laughter and some fun and some really, really good learning and we'd love to see you there. Now Lesley, then we talked about desks and a place and technology and clothing. Let's talk about just a daily scheduled and I mean, you and I both get ready in the morning. But how can we make sure that we stay on task when we work from home? Do you have a set time you kind of start work and when you have lunch? How does this work?

Lesley  24:50  
You're asking me when you know my schedule just as well. It's quite funny like oh my gosh, just tell me about that. Totally bad together like All day, every day. But anyway, aside from that, yes, I do Ingrid, I do have a schedule that I adhere to. And our schedules tend to align as well, when we're working on the declutter hub. I'm not nearly started, despite my children on the podcast a couple of weeks ago, saying that I would get up at seven o'clock and let them declutter the rooms, I might not even like, functioning at seven o'clock in the morning. So that was not true. I'm ready to function at about 830 to nine o'clock, I would say. So normally, that will be the time that I'll get in the car to go to a client's I'm kind of revving up for the day. But yeah, so I tend to sit at my desk by about half at nine o'clock, and do some things in the beginning and then ready to start, what I would call proper work, a recording podcast video in writing whatever we need to do about 930.

Ingrid  25:49  
Yeah, I'm the same. I'm the same, I think you, you have about a half year about half an hour normally ahead of me, and I'm only trying to be ready for about nine, because I still have two kids that also need to make sure to leave the house with lunch boxes and bags. And you know, that's all going on here still at they have to, they're still a bit younger. And then about 930. And like, right, okay, let's do this. But I'm already kind of, if I'm eating breakfast by myself, I'm already having a little kind of look to see what's going on on social media and kind of try to respond to a few bits, but kind of easy work. And then the real thing starts at 930. And then I make sure we have lunch at 1230 to one o'clock. And we're quite relieved. Even if we're working, you know, on a podcast or working on a big project. For me, lunch is really important, because first of all, I get really, really grumpy if I don't eat, unless he knows this now. There's like, No, you can't talk to me, I'm like, I'm so angry. I'm like hungry and angry all at the same time. So for me, lunch is really important. And I think it gives that time just gives me a really solid break to step away from the computer. Because before you know what your hours and hours behind the computer. So what do you do listeners? Did you give yourself a break? Do you step away from the computer to have a nice coffee break or tea break or lunch break? I mean, you do that at work as well. So do that at home, make sure you're not glued on your office chair, from nine to five, every day, you need to stretch and move and take care of yourself and get a glass of water and stay hydrated. So I was just wondering, that's why I think it's important that we talk about this because it's so easy to completely only get in that computer, isn't it?

Lesley  27:33  
Yeah, it definitely is. And I think as I was saying before, you know, the opportunity to break up your day with a little chat here and there, or somebody coming over to you to ask you for advice. It's just, it breaks that monotony of the day. And we don't have that as much when we're working on our own at home, do we, it's just not the same. So we have to kind of almost schedule breaks, a lot of people use the Pomodoro technique where you work for 25 minutes, then you have five minutes off, I'm not like that, as long as I get my regular stand up and get a coffee. But I don't tend to do any household stuff during the day, if that makes sense. So I don't tend to get all my kind of washing in and do my reset, and that we've spoken about a million times in the morning. And in the evening. I don't tend to do that during the day. Do you know what it's been interesting, actually, because as you well know, I've not had a kitchen for a while. And so it's taken me right off track. Because what I've been doing is making dinner and bringing it to my desk and isn't at my desk rather than doing what I normally would do would be to sit in the kitchen. And so and it really does make a difference. You know, just to have that change of scenery, even if it's only for half an hour is really important. A lot of people go out for a walk at lunchtime. I've not got that far. I'd love to get that far really, if I'm honest. So are we good examples. I think we are in some ways, but I think it's more about the focus on work. So I don't think we fail in that way, we probably fail a little bit in the self care side of it. Because we probably do spend a little bit too much time on the computer and don't schedule enough breaks and things like that. So it's about finding that balance. And so we're not perfect, we probably do it too much the other way. We hear a lot of people talking about, I've got to put the washing on or do the washing up and I get really distracted from what I'm supposed to be doing. And so I think it's very hard. But I think now that working from home is more than norm. I think there's an awful lot of people checking up on that kind of thing now isn't there as well and see, and you know, making sure that people are at the Zoom meeting at 830 and team meetings and what have you. But ultimately, you do have a little bit of control over it yourself. So it's important to create a system that's going to work for you that's balanced. That's the important thing is it's got to have that balance.

Ingrid  29:39  
I think we're weaving I think that's the last point then that we want to talk about in this podcast is we kind of weaving a lot more personal time now in the workday. I mean if you're at an office all day or if you're working in the shop or working in a restaurant, you're away and you can't do these things but now working from home. You can I mean I ran a putting a load of laundry before we went on the podcast recording this morning. So I know over lunchtime, I will take those five minutes to hang out my laundry. While normally if I'm away with a client, I can't do that. But now I can. So I will weave that into quickly into my lunch break or do that if you can, if you're not working from home, think to yourself, Okay, at lunchtime, what am I going to have for dinner, you don't have to wait to almost start thinking about it until you're on your way home. And then you have to quickly nip in the shops to get something you can already now early in the day think, Okay, we're gonna destroy that for dinner tonight. Oh, I'm short of chicken, I'm just going to nip across the road to the to the small little supermarket and get some extra chicken, for example, you can wave those little jumps into your day, because that would give gives you almost the opportunity to leave your desk for those five minutes and get a change of scenery that you normally wouldn't have had a chat with a colleague.

Lesley  31:00  
And then the bottom line is most of us who are now working from home who went to a workplace have got back half an hour, an hour, maybe sometimes two hours. If you're commuting within London, it might have been two hours or more you've got back in your day. And so it's about a choice as to what you're going to do with that time. Are you going to spend it doing more work? Or are you going to spend it do more household stuff, and birth is fine, as long as you're fulfilling both commitments. But we do have an opportunity, but it's about making sure the space is going to work for you. Making sure you're exercising self care whilst still doing what you need to do for your work commitments. And realising that this is probably here for a little while.

Ingrid  31:43  
Well, listeners that was the fantastic summary from Lesley, I've got nothing else to add to that. So I hope you really have enjoyed listening to this podcast and are inspired to take action and think about how was the setup at my house? Is it working for me? Do I need to make some changes? Can I make some tweaks? Do I need to sort myself out? So I can actually keep myself in good health while I'm working from home? And what do I need to do? What can I do to make that change? So thank you for being here. We really hope you've enjoyed this podcast and please share it with other people. Maybe your friends and family would love our show too. And on our show notes page on our website, you can find all the sharing buttons. If you want to have more handy tips and advice from Let's see now you can find this in lots of places. We have a Facebook page to declutter hub, we are an Instagram, and we've got a fantastic Facebook group go to declutter hub community and we would love to see you there. If you'd like to know more about our membership. Have a look at membership, declutter app.com To find out more. If you don't want to miss the next episode, subscribe to the clutter help podcast and it will pop into your notifications each Friday. So thanks so much for listening, and see you next time.

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