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Episode 293 – How to make your day run smoothly

It’s fair to say that some days run smoothly without a hitch and others leave you reeling and wondering what on earth happened. In this podcast we’re going to talk about what you can do to set yourself up for success and how to handle it when your day gets derailed.
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It is fair to say that some days run smoothly without a hitch. And others leave you reeling and wondering what on earth happened. In today's podcast, we're going to talk about what you can do to set yourself up for success and how to handle it when your day gets derailed.

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You're listening to the declutter Apple podcast, bringing you tried and tested no nonsense tips and advice from the leading experts in decluttering and organizing your home. Now here are your hosts, Ingrid Jansen, and Lesley Spellman.

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Hello, and welcome, listeners. I'm Ingrid. And I'm Lesley. If you're new to the declutter hub podcast, you're so welcome. What you'll find is that we try and find a fun factor in the serious business of decluttering. And if you've been here for a while, you know exactly what we mean. So thank you so much for listening. If you'd like to get involved in conversations relating to this podcast, it all takes place in our Facebook group. So come and join our lovely, warm, supportive community. To find the Facebook group go to declutter hub.com, forward slash group to find out more, or you can search for the declutter hub community on Facebook. Well, Lesley, spill the beans tell Bo, your secrets, how do you make your day run smoothly? I am all yours.

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I know if I if only I knew. I think it was interesting, right? Because before we said we before we hit record, we were like talking about our days. And obviously we're in decluttering podcast. So really, we're talking about keeping your household ticking over. And I think it's fair to saying with that, in general, I'm not saying everything's immaculate and perfect all the time, because it is far from that. But it doesn't take as long as then as professional organizers to get things back on track. So a lot of the things that we talk about, we definitely feel, but we feel it in a slightly different context. So we can relate to all of the things that we're talking about. But mostly, that would be in a personal context or in a work related context. And these things are kind of the same, effectively, the feelings that you have, and the way that you have to plan your day. And all that kind of stuff is the same whether it's a house or whether it's work. And so some of it will, we're going to sort of cross those two things. Because whilst our days don't get derailed that often in a domestic context, and a household contacts are to the point that it's becomes unmanageable. It absolutely does. regularly.

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Say, right,

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you our days runs smoothly. I always feel like a fraud actually talking about it. Because I'm like, how many of our days run smoothly, but when you're away on all day, my day runs very smooth. Yeah, same, same, actually.

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Okay, so what are we thinking? So are you saying that we derail each other?

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Because I think the same as you I'm fine. When I'm just here. This was me and Ross, I'm in a nice little chat and you're aware, and you know, don't have to do anything and saying

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the words you really need to learn is that, is that a good thing?

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Well, I think I think the thing is, you know, when we're because when we're together, we you know, we discuss things, we make plans to move forward. So lots of work comes out of that. And I think when either of us is away, we're like, oh, we can finally get on with all the things that have been on a list for ages. So maybe that's the difference. But of course, you know, we, you know, we always have plans and things but yeah,

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if I'm being honest, I know you're kind of throwing shade back at me. If I think that the time that we get derailed are typically because something happens externally to the deepwater pub, and comes and derails. So are you actually going to eat your words? Now, Ingrid?

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You know, the point I'm trying to make is that we make great plans, we have an idea of the way things are gonna go. But life

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did not sway. But stuff happens. Stuff happens in life that derails and takes us off track. And the whole idea of this podcast is talk about the things that you can do to set yourself up for success and what you do, if it is not successful, if it is not as successful as you would hoped, when life gets in the way, how do you find a way to get yourself back in the saddle as it were, and keep on going and not become demotivated by? Yeah, so let's talk about well, we will obviously talk about things in a domestic context. Yeah. How do we set ourselves up for success? What sort of things

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Do we do on a daily basis, which means that the following day is going to be successful? Well, Lesley, without a shadow of a doubt, I think the non negotiables and daily resets. That, for me is the basis of everything. Yeah, so let's talk about that. So let's talk about because non negotiables form part of a daily reset. So non negotiables, that you may or may not have heard us talk about before, are in a number of different areas. And they are bespoke to you, of course, there is crossover. So a lot of Ingrid's non negotiables are my non negotiables. But you need to work out for you in your home in your situation, what your non negotiables are. Sometimes if you're a

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mom of five kids, you'll have a lot of non negotiables, right, because your life is complex and busy, and there's multiple people to take into account. But for Ingrid and I, it would be basic things that we've determined we need to do on a daily or regular more than once a day basis to make sure our home keeps ticking over to the point that it doesn't become unmanageable. And it doesn't become a huge chore, or a huge one hour to hour job to go back to the way that we wanted it to be. So non negotiables for us, and this is different for us, because we've still got families at home and all that if you're living on your own, these timescales may be very, very different. So we will typically put a load of washing on every day. In actual fact, mine's probably more likely every other day now, because there's only actually most of the time you layer at home. But you know, when Nathan's back, it's every day and so, you know, you can't wait, you know, think about things like loads of laundry, think about how often you need to do your washing up, you know, things like that, you know, some people might get away with doing that once a day. Other people might need to do that five times a day do not I mean, so a dishwasher load might go on once a week in certain instances, or it might go on twice a day. Like sometimes for me, it's once a day, sometimes it's twice a day, sometimes it's three times a day, depending on what I'm doing and how, what the throughput is. But it's all about working out what your non negotiables are in with give some more pointers about what a non negotiable how how people would come up with that what they are, for me, and non negotiable is also definitely that I want to recycling gun every day, because I've got a thing on my kitchen counters, I want to have that emptied, I want to make sure that I don't see all that rubbish build up all the time. So I get the kids and both with that. For me a non negotiable is wiping down the kitchen counters in the kitchen table after breakfast, lunch and dinner, I do that every day, I don't leave it and leave it and leave it. And then it becomes a massive chore. You might think to yourself, oh, actually, I have animals and pets at home that I need to take care of every day. That's a non negotiable then for you, you know, your animals need to be fresh food and water and might need to be walked and all of those things might be on your list. So everybody's non negotiables are different. But you see a kind of a red thread in people's houses, right of things that it will be really helpful to do these every day, and not let them build up.

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And I think one of the things when you're when you're talking about non negotiables, that's really important is to try and give yourself some context, we're talking about setting yourself up for success. And one of the very important things is to work out, okay, these are the things that I want to do at certain time. And you also need to determine the time that you do them. Because it's going to be very different if you're immediately launched into looking after those five kids. Or if you've got to do the school run, or if you've got to go to work. Or if you come back from work at lunchtime, you know, so the timing of your daily reset might be very different. So you need to think about the timing. But very important, you need to think about how often you need to do a daily research needs to a morning lunchtime evening is one that one a day in or for example. And you need to look at your list of non negotiables, which are probably going to be things like I don't know, sweeping the floor, putting the laundry on wiping the things doing the recycling all of those things. How long does this take you? Yeah. Because only when you know how long it's going to take you can you set yourself up for success and know that that is achievable. So one of the things that we have found, because that's one of the exercises that we do quite regularly with our members and challenges, all of those kinds of things, is that people are surprised by how little time or how much time these things take. Yeah, some things take much less time than you think they will. And some things take much more time. And that's because in your mind because you've not done it as part of a daily reset. It's grown into something mammoth, sometimes, you know, you can't I don't want to do the washing up because literally, I've got pots from three days. And so it's something that weighs heavily on you. And you think it's gonna take hours. Well, probably it has taken hours because you've let it build up. So what we want to do is we want to get you to the stage where the washing up actually takes you 20 minutes or 25 minutes which is just life that's life.

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we eat, we use parts, we have to wash them up, there is no getting around that that's just part of life. And there's no point in going, Oh, I don't want to do that we have to do it, it's non negotiable, and things like that. So number one, think about what your non negotiables are. Think about when you're going to do those non negotiables, as part of your daily reset, what's a sensible time, don't do something that you're never going to be able to achieve. If you know that you're running around like a crazy thing in the morning before the school run, don't try and do daily reset, then try and do it later. When you come back from school, or if you've got time, you might have to get up early in the morning, you might have to do one last night, whatever. And then really drill down on how long is this likely to take me and is that achievable? Yeah, absolutely. I think sometimes when people really either underestimate or overestimate exactly what you said, Lesley, and I think, once you actually put a clock next to it, it's like, oh, wow, this actually doesn't take me, as long as I thought in the beginning, it really can make a massive difference to get an insight into those things that you have to do all the time, just because it will help you manage your day a lot better. And of course, you know, I know, you're probably gonna think, oh, you know, this makes sense. But the less stuff you have, the easier it will be to do the cleaning to do today, the resets, to do to tidy to manage all of those things. Because of course, if you've got everything out in your kitchen counters, and you have to pick everything up to wipe your sights, it's gonna take a long time, when of course, when everything is streamlined, and you've got everything as much as possible put away in cupboards and within easy reach and easy access, and your counters are emptier, it's much easier to give it all a wipe, right? Or if you have to wipe the kitchen table because you'd had breakfast, lunch or dinner there. But on the other half of your table, there's stuff piled up, it's going to be much trickier to wipe it when it's empty, you can just kind of get a cloth, go over it done, and it's all quick. So having less stuff around having less clutter makes a tremendous difference. And the problem is at the moment that you know, we've got lots of people here listening to this podcast that are at different stages of their decluttering journey. Everybody's got an interest in decluttering, for sure. Some people will be feeling completely overwhelmed with their the clutter in their home and think, how on earth would I want my work surfaces at this moment in time? How on earth would I open my posts every day, if that was one of my non negotiables. I'm nowhere near that when we have to do this kind of dual thing where we've got to start looking at daily resets as a possibility. That may take a long time now because we're working around a lot of different stuff. Slowly but surely as that stuff starts to kind of get pared down a little bit as part of the decluttering process. And we start to then simultaneously try to get these habits in place with the daily resets things will slowly but surely start to become easier. So but what we're saying is a daily reset for one person looks very different to a daily reset for another person based on where you are in your decluttering journey. But you have to do try and do both simultaneous play and declutter. Yes, we're here we call the declutter podcast. But we're also talking about mindset change and trying to get you to a place where your home runs like clockwork like I'm I mean, I'm let's overstate this is my house a bit of a is my kitchen a bit of a tip at the moment. And I've got 10 pairs of shoes I could do with going upstairs. Of course, I have Do you know, to me, but that's a 10 minute fix. You know, it's not an overwhelming, insurmountable thing. And it will get done when I when I get around to it. And so it's really important to think about these things. And sometimes we've not thought about that we taught our very first podcast is about the difference between decluttering organizing, tidying and cleaning. And it's so important to get those four things nailed. And to work out how they fit on your decluttering journey is so so important. Yeah. Another thing that we wanted to talk about as well is delegation, delegation of tasks. Now, of course, if you're by yourself in your house, you might not be able to delegate to anybody else, you might be able to outsource some stuff to other people. But if you're part of, you know, a family, if you got kids, if you got people coming to visit and things like that, can you delegate some of these tasks to other people, so your day runs first loop smoothly? Sometimes I think we feel we have to do everything ourselves. And if there are other people in your house, they have hands, they have feet, they can do stuff, you know, whatever age they are, I mean, even a three year old kid, you can tell pick up your toy and put it in the basket here. It's you don't have to wait till they're like 16. You know, they can do little jobs for you. And it can make all of the difference. thinking the same way. And with that we were talking about this kind of declutter friends through

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reset kind of simultaneous working, that's going to take time. I think the problem with delegation, if it's not something that you've done successfully in the past, particularly with children with partners, or all of those kinds of things, or with cleaners, or anything else that you outsource to, it can take more time to set up that system than it can take to do it yourself. And so we almost have to put the groundwork in now to go. My goal is that my kids will put the recycling out every day, or my goal is that my kids will do the cleaning up after dinner every day, or whatever that is, because ultimately, I need to grab some time back for myself. So what you've got to do is you've got to spend the time explaining things, making sure they've got the skills to do it, making sure that they know that this is not something that's not going to happen that this has to happen, and that this is part of your rules going forward, you need some consistency, to make sure that you set those wheels in motion, this is hard stuff. And we can all get to a stage where we're like, Do you know what, I haven't got the energy to do this, I'm just going to do it myself. All of these things, working out non negotiables time in them, you know, thinking about when you're going to do your daily resets, trying to think about delegated if you've never done that, in the past, trying to incorporate resets alongside of decluttering journey. This is all hard stuff. But you need to put the effort in to reap the rewards later, you know, one of our members said,

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ages ago, your future self will thank you for it. And so we have to put the groundwork in now. And later down the line, we will reap the rewards. Ingrid and I just in context of work have done really boring. This is the kind of thing that I absolutely loathe with a passion put in like, like operating procedures and documents together to kind of say, this is what we need to do when we're doing a podcast or when we're doing a challenge or any of those things. But now, five years down the line, we are reaping the rewards because we it's easier, much easier. We don't have to go back and reinvent the wheel every single time. We don't have to think about what we've got to do. Because it's all written down. So we've got our own version of that within within a work context. But it is hard, you need to put the groundwork in now. So part of this sort of setting yourself up for success or setting yourself up for your day to run more smoothly, is to invest time and energy into it to make it happen in the future. It's not going to happen overnight. Right? I think it's interesting, Lesley, because we're hearing you talk about it. It made me think back about when I came back from a weekend away recently. And

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I actually was very specific to the kids because I had kids were brown. And I was like, right kids? And can you put away the toys back in the toy cupboard, because we bought like board games and things like that, and things like that. And I went Max, I want you to clear up the bag of shoes. And can you do this, you know, and I will do this. So everybody was kind of contributing at that moment to making the house look tidy again. But I was very specific in what I wanted them to do. I didn't say just tidy up the house because they're like, it looks absolutely fine to me. But for me, the back would shoes and the back with stuff and the half unpacked suitcases that was you know, bothering me and I want that that old to be cleared before I can kind of move on to the next thing. So I think being specific can really help as well in this in this situation. Yeah, I think it definitely needs to be specific. But I think also in grid, the foundations, you know, talked about before in terms of setting yourself up for success, the foundations are there, because there is a place for the shoes, there is a place for the toes. And you know what needs to be done to get to do that kind of post holiday reset, which is effectively what it is. So it's all about building those foundational blocks, isn't it? That's what's going to set yourself up for success. And it's not something that can be done overnight. So I wanted to talk a little bit about sort of goals, you know, related to that. So it's so important, isn't it to think about what your goals are, we talked about, you know, I've actually talked about goals already, you know, without without mentioning them. We've talked about non negotiables. We've talked about daily reset, we've talked about time, and we've talked about delegation, these are all things that form part of goals. So your goal needs to be specific and smaller than I want to declutter and organize my house and I want my day to run more smoothly. You need your goals needs to be broken down into, but how am I going to achieve this? How am I going to get from feeling completely out of control on a daily basis to get into a state where I know what needs to be done? Where I've got the skills and I've got the people who are on board that I can delegate to if that's a possibility for you? How is that going to happen? So you need to break it down and you can't do all of those things. At the same time. You can't incorporate daily resets and delegation and timing and decluttering all of that

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those things you need to break it right down. That's what's gonna give you success. And so many people are right. I'm on a decluttering journey, going to listen to Ingrid, unless these podcasts, I'm going to do all of the things like, and we're like, break it down, try one thing, get it nailed move on to the next thing is these things take time, because the habits associated with what we do at home are so ingrained, aren't they? The fact that we do everything for our kids, a lot of times, you know, and think archive and be bothered, I'll just do it myself, because it's too much, you know, emotional energy associated with nagging and effectively, which is why we've done all our lives, you know, to me, to get them to do anything is more emotionally draining than doing it yourself, which is why we get ourselves stuck in a rut of not delegating. Well, actually, we need to be stronger. We need to be more kind of vocal and say, No, I'm going to stick with this until we actually start and it's going to be a non negotiable for you to help me. So I think the goals are important, aren't they Ingrid to break them down to something that is manageable. Yes, I agree less, the goals are absolutely crucial. And we've talked a lot before this break about how to set yourself Self up for success. So let's go for break. And then after a break, we'll talk about what what do you do if things get derailed all the time. So see you soon. Hi, everyone. Welcome back. We are talking about how you can make your day run more smoothly. But things happen. There's always spanners. In the works, Lesley thinks she's gonna yell like, Oh, I'm deserving a great day and something happens and boom, off the rails you are, but how can we make sure that we stop that from happening?

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Although the first thing is that we need to understand that this is a normal part of life. And so you know, our decluttering, our organizing, or tidying or reset, they don't always happen. We're not perfect, are we we can't, how can we, you know, I was talking before I've got shoes, here, I've got boxes, I'm going around that I need to sort out there are things that need to be done. And so we need to accept that this is a normal part of our home of our families of our lives. You know, we talked about domestically going through 24 hours and what happens and so things happen all the time, it's about what you do when you get derailed. And when you don't achieve what you wanted to achieve. So we talked a lot about goal setting. So a lot of it is about being realistic about what you can achieve. But it's also about learning from your mistakes in inverted commas. I hesitate to use the word mistakes. But all of the journey that we go on with decluttering. And organizing and trying to get ourselves back in control is about constant reviewing of what we're doing differently, what's working and what's not. So with every project that we do, we need to constantly review, because from that we'll learn and so we're learning about timescales we're learning about, okay, this was interesting, I did a kind of non negotiable timing on how long it takes me to do my washing up. And I thought it was gonna take me 10 minutes. And actually, it takes me half an hour and I have not got half an hour in the morning before I go out. So how am I going to fix that? How am I going to fix that problem? When am I going to do things differently? Who am I going to involve? I can do things differently? Do I need to get up earlier? Where's the the review? What's that? What's the learning from this thing that I thought that I could do that actually derailed me and I got stuck at step one. How can I do that differently, because then washing up still got to be done. So we got to find a different way, we can't not do the washing up or we can for four days. But then we've got more than a daily reset, right? We've got a big chore and a big problem. So we need to constantly be reviewing and learning from the things that we see in front of us. So we need to be fully focused on our decluttering and organizing Journey To be fair, and this needs to become a priority that we are going to try and think about and evaluate and learn from. I think we've seen it a lot as well Lesley where donations so people are like, Okay, I've kind of bad with some stuff that I want to donate, I've done a bit of decluttering Yeah, made some time I've done it, I've got a back. And that back then doesn't get put in the car, it gets put in a whole way to be donated at some point or it actually does go in the car and then we drive around with it for weeks or months on end. But we don't make that finishing that last step of actually donating that bag. And I think we also need to review that where is it going wrong? Are we just not you know, have we got a charity shop that is far too far. And we actually we have to make a trip out of it? Are we trying to find the perfect donation spots? While good enough is good enough? As long as it leaves her house? It's fine. Are we trying to individually get every piece of thing that we want to declare to a different person giving ourselves multiple jobs? I think that's where you

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see that a lot as well, right? We need to review and look at ourselves and go. I know I am decluttering. I've got a backward what's derailing? me here? What's holding me up? What's the problem? Where is it going wrong? And how can I make it easier for myself? How can I give BB give grace in myself and go, You know what, as long as it gets donated, as long as it's being reused by somebody else, I've done a good job and me trying to find the perfect spot for everything, issues holding me back and not helping anybody here in the end. You're absolutely right, because different people. So what we what we have in the declutters, we use something called a cycle of success, which kind of talks about the eight different steps that you've got, I think it's eight, eight, it is eight that you need to do. You know, we're not going to go into that now. But there's basically steps that you need to do in order and some people think decluttering is organizing, spend time organizing, some people love the gathering, like with like, some people love the tidying up bit of it, some people jump all the way to the end before doing the start. And in the preparation. As Ingrid says, some people don't get around to the donation bit of it, which is finished, everyone gets stalled at a different point. And that evaluation is where am I getting stalled? And is it just because I've set myself such a big goal that I can never realistically get to that point in a day. So therefore, my goals or my projects then need to be much smaller. So it's about that evaluation of which bit of it is causing you problems. Now, it could be that you get stuck at the emotional stage of it. And so therefore, you need to spend some more time looking at the emotional side of clutter and going, which individual emotions am I struggling with most? And how can I work through those? And we've got a million podcasts on one that actually a million podcasts 280 something. But we've got loads of podcasts talking about the emotions that go back in to individual things, and then where am I getting stored? And what can I do to change that, more often than not, the people who are decluttering, their homes that get stuck are trying to do too much too quickly. That is our experience. And people are like, I'm going to do my whole house in a week. You know, we've got people who join and go, Yeah, I'm going to join for a month and I want to do my whole house, you know, the some membership like

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it can be done, of course, if you know what you're doing, and you just need that accountability. But invariably, if you want to change your clutter mindset for God, it's going to take a little bit longer, because if you just do everything for a month, then you're going to feel completely exhausted. And then it's going to get stuck where it is. And then you're going to have to come back again in three years time when it all starts to build again, and do it again. And what we're trying to get you to is a place where decluttering just becomes like it is for Ingrid and I and I'm not getting my daughter's visa thing that we live in these perfect terms, where it just happens as a matter of course, it's not a big deal. It's just part of our day to day thing. Oh, I don't know why we've got that. Why don't we just let that go. And you know, just not we don't do big decluttering projects anymore. We might do big organizing projects and might find some clutter. But it's really because we're organizing things because they become a little bit unruly. And then we find a little bit cluttered during the process. Ryan grid. Yeah. So that would be it. But we're not setting out to declutter because we need more space or because we feel like we've got an access. It's more organizing the things and just resetting things a little bit. Yeah. So it's so so important to think about that, isn't it? Yeah. And I think what you said earlier, Lesley about people trying to do far too much and completely wearing themselves out. I think people really underestimate how important it is to take a break when you're decluttering. Don't go this weekend, this whole day, I'm going to do eight hours in a row, you have to plan those breaks. Really important. You have to make sure that in between you don't you know you take time to have a drink, have a snack, have lunch, because it gives you energy to do another little bit after that. Or also you need to look at yourself, you know a lot as well. When am I at my best during the day when it's my strongest time. If you struggle with energy, saying to yourself, Well, I've been really my house is bad and I haven't done anything for months. I feel bad about it. This Saturday, I'm going to go in and I'm going to if you know you can't do that you're already setting yourself up for failure and we don't want that. You have to be gracious to yourself and go energy is a problem in my life. I had very limited amounts of it. I have to be really smart about it. How can I set myself up for success here and how can I do a little bit of rather that you do on a Saturday, three times half an hour spread over two days over the day? Then try to do two hours wear yourself out completely that you make yourself almost ill if you know what I mean. And then need three or four days to recover from the two hour slot that you did. We don't want that for you

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We want the best for you, we want you to work within your own limits, but recognize that you're moving forward one step at a time.

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I know exactly I know, it's really, really important, isn't it, and that that is probably the biggest problem that we find isn't it is that people want a kind of all or nothing scenario, and the kind of jump from decluttering project to decluttering project with kind of six month gaps. You know, if you're that person who has been with us within our

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declutter hub, and you come to every challenge in January, you still feel as if you've not made any progress forward, you've gone for this kind of New year, new me sort of scenario, which is brilliant, but it has to be sustained throughout the year, we have to start and we have to go, Okay, gonna do the learning, gonna do the thinking, I'm looking at 2024, for example, if Australia this year, you know, as being my year to get this job done. And that kind of thing is more sensible, you know, what we see in our membership is the people that are like, I'm here for the long haul, I'm here for a year, I know, it's going to take some time, I'm going to take it one step at a time, so that it's not overwhelming, you know, if you, you need to put little bits of focus in so you can understand that that's going to fit into your daily life, to allow you to do the things that we want you to do is to go out, go out and have a nice time and do nice things with your family and watch TV and chill out and have some me time, we don't want you to be decluttering, five hours a day, for two months straight to get through your home. Because that's going to be exhausting. It's going to be counterproductive. So it's so so important. So

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how not to become derailed really is about that evaluation, you know, look at what you're doing with your recites, look at what you're doing with your decluttering projects and work out where is this going wrong? Where Where am I stalling on these decluttering projects? What is it about my daily resets? That means that I'm not getting them done? Am I doing them at the wrong time? Am I storing things up and thinking that it's a daily reset? And actually, it's a much bigger, kind of almost like a weekly reset? You know what I mean? Like that I've got three days of stuff that I've got to deal with here. Where is it going wrong? It's all about that evaluation. And ultimately, it's about, as Ingrid said, so, so well, it's about being kind and gracious to yourself, to know that this is life, you know, life happens around us. And we need to fit in the decluttering and the resets into that, to make sure that we can thank our future selves for it. And we can move on seamlessly through life smoothly through our day, without worrying and berating ourselves for the clutter that's waiting for us when we come home. Yeah. And if you're thinking to yourself, Wow, I've never ever thought about it this way. I've never even thought about non negotiables how to tie myself and those kinds of things. We have a course called resets and routines and in that you can buy from us. So if you want to know more, I'll put the link in the show notes. So if you're like yes, I am struggling with those daily things, those weekly and seasonal things and I'm just jumping from one thing to the next and never anything gets finished. Maybe that would be a perfect thing for you to have a look at. So like I said, I'll put the link in the show notes. You can have a look at the information.

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Perfect. So how are we going to make our day run more smoothly? Ingrid in a work context. Well, I think we need to take more breaks Lesley?

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Yes.

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Do any work and then it won't get derailed like just have a day off and then there's no chance of it getting derailed. Perfect. Exactly. Uh, maybe we should bring back wine o'clock on Friday, five o'clock as well. Yes, very important.

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All work and no play makes Jack or makes Ingrid and Lesley a dull boy, girl.

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Whatever. Yeah, no, no, it's good to go back to basics and to to kind of understand what is going wrong here. And how do we fix that? I think, isn't it? And that's what this podcast was all about. Exactly. So listeners tell us. What are you going to do differently to make sure that your day runs a little bit more smoothly and you don't get to your bills all the time. We would love to hear from you. So thanks so much for being here. Thanks so much for listening or watching if you're on seeing this on YouTube. We'll be back next week with a brand new episode. See you soon.

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