Episode 416 – 10 Things To Do Before You Die from a Decluttering Perspective

Ingrid: When we talk about getting our homes in order, it's easy to frame it around one day or for when we're gone, but the truth is we are firm believers that decluttering and Organising is first and foremost about making life easier for you right here, right now. In today's episode, we are sharing 10 things to do before you die, not in a dramatic or overwhelming way.

The first half focuses on the changes that will make your life calmer, clearer, and more manageable today. we'll check through a few things that will also make life easier for the people around you when the time eventually comes.

Ingrid: Hello and welcome listeners. I'm Ingrid.

Lesley: And I am Lesley. Now, if you are here for the very first time today, or you've been listening in for ages, we want to say a huge thank you we have a little favour to ask.

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Well, hello listeners. Hello, Lesley. The title of this podcast sounds a bit dramatic. Let's be honest. 10 things to Do before You Die. People might tune out, Lesley, they might go, I don't wanna, I don't wanna hear about this. I don't, I, this is not my plan,

Lesley: Exactly.

Ingrid: talk about this. Right?

Lesley: We do need to talk about it. And yeah, it's not dramatic, but yeah, it's important. Right? It's important. Like, before we get stuck in, tell me, 'cause I don't know that I know about this, how we, how are you about, The thought of it, are you, matter of fact, are you accepting of death? Do you go, well, it's gonna come to us, or are you like, la, la, la, la la?

It's not gonna happen to me. So where, where do you sit on the accepting of, I mean, I know it's not imminent at this moment in time, but what do you think about it when we talk about death? Because I am very matter of fact, I'll talk to people about it. I'll openly talk about the fact that. You are not going to be here in certain amount of years.

With my dad, for example, you know, I, I'm not shy, shying away from the truth that old people, hopefully mostly old people die. Some people die prematurely, which is horrific. And, we've both, all had experience of that as well.

Ingrid: Mm-hmm.

Lesley: I am quite sort of accepting that that's part of life. Yeah.

Ingrid: Can, can I ask you a full, I will ask you your question, but isn't that quite unusual for British people? I, I don't, you're the odd one out listening. Kind of, in my opinion. Maybe. 'cause a lot of my friends, if you, you kind of hear are somebody says something, they're dying. They go, oh. And I'm like, and I am like you.

I'm like, well, it's gonna happen to all of us at some point, you know, and it's, you might as well make sure that you're organized and sorted about it. And I think also because my mom is very much like that, so, but when I've been kind of speaking to, I've been living here for a long time, but every one time when the word kind of dying or passing away or anything, like come, some people go, oh. they would always talk about it, like it's a surprise for them that it's gonna happen. So.

Lesley: I suppose everything comes from personal, personal experience, doesn't it? So, you know, I look un luckily then, my mom died when she was in her fifties and so, and my mother-in-law did as well, and so. I know that premature death can come as well as death in old age. I mean, luckily my dad and my father-in-law are still around right in, well into their eighties and so, so I think, but I think the job that we do as well, Ingrid, we, we are preparing people from a stuff, from a home perspective.

And you know, one of the roles that we have very much is looking at people's paperwork, looking at the way that it is, and making sure that people have got the right things in place and that that needs. Tough conversations. And so I have regularly had conversations with my clients about powers of attorney, about wills.

What have they got, have they thought about the practicalities of what will might look like? All those kind of things. So yeah, so I think I am maybe a little bit more matter of fact. And I think in my own family I am a little bit more open to, to talking about those things and others. But I wouldn't say it's necessarily a British trait.

I think it's about personal experience perhaps.

Ingrid: Mm-hmm.

Lesley: so yeah. Interesting. So. You are also like me then Ingrid. We are practical when it comes to these matters and I'm the emotion, the emotional one between us doesn't mean to say that I'm not emotional when it does happen. Ingrid like, let's put it out there.

I don't really like people dying, you know? That's not ideal, but I know that it's, it is. It happens. And so today it's an interesting one really because. Swedish Death Cleaning, for example, is a book that's been out for many, many years by Margaretta Magnusson. full disclosure, I've never read it, but I think I get the gist of it.

I don't typically read sort of decluttering books 'cause I kind of, it's a bit of a busman's holiday. Right. But, It is something that gets spoken about. It's a very popular book, very, a very good book as well, I believe. Right? With lots of good, useful stuff. And certainly it's a methodology that a lot of people follow, but you and I have always been in that mindset like, why are we waiting until to do it for somebody else?

We should be doing these things for ourselves, not just for other people. Like let's have a nice life and have a plan to organize things with. Things around us that we want, that we need now, not just like, oh, I need to do it for my kids. Like, why do it for yourself? And so I think that's what this podcast is all about.

We're gonna talk a lot about some of the things that are, of course, gonna be useful for other people if you come to, an early demise or something that you're not expecting, or indeed a timely demise. And also in the second half we're gonna talk about the specifics. Things that will absolutely make things easier for the ones that are left behind when the inevitable does actually happen.

So let's get stuck in Ingrid.

Ingrid: I know it's a 10 things, Lesley, and

Lesley: I know exactly. I've, we've been talking 10 minutes already. We'll be here for like two hours.

Ingrid: Exactly. So let's start with number one then. And of course this is like whether you are, I think to do before you die or not, this is to good anyway. You need to know what you own. to know what's in your house. You need to have an awareness of the things that live. In your cupboards, in your attic, in your basement, in your garage, or even if you get a tiny apartment, you need to know what you have, what stuff is in your house, because that's helpful or lots of different levels to know this, right?

Lesley: You know, for, for kind of, you know, we don't want people to overbuy. So just on a practical level, you know, if you have an inventory and a good understanding of what you have, you can A, find it, B, not buy it again. and C decide whether or not it's something that you wanna, that you wanna keep or not, or that's saving your current life.

You know, that's, that we talk about all the time. And so I think, and you can only really do that by going through your entire house at some point or room by room and working that kind of stuff out. It's not just about getting a piece of paper and writing an inventory down. This takes, this is really about decluttering Organising and going, going through an emotional journey of decluttering your home and deciding what needs to be left behind, and then you reconnect with your staff as a result of doing that sort of decluttering Organising and know what you have, don't you?

So

Ingrid: Yeah.

Lesley: important to know what you own, you know, isn't it like It's absolutely vital.

Ingrid: Yeah, and I think that will of course help you tremendously with when you know where everything is. Your visibility then is key and it reduces that overwhelm as well. That can be so energy draining if you know where things are. It's tremendously like calming, like yeah. I have this and I know where it is. It saves a lot of anxiousness and a lot of like frantic surging and it a lot of wasted energy. So it's really nice to know what you own.

Lesley: Absolutely. And I think, you know, on number two, sort of playing into that, in order to get there, as we said, you really need to go on an emotional decluttering, emotions based decluttering journey. So you kind of almost need to do what we, you know, bang on about all the time, which is use an emotions first.

So stuff second approach, because every good decluttering project starts with. Awareness. And so if you can be aware of what is driving your behaviors and what is driving you to keep things potentially unnecessarily, then you can make the right decisions about what is serving you. And then you can get a proper inventory of what you have and what you need to keep.

And so, you know this, and of course, throughout our life, I mean, just because we're talking about. You know, 10 things to do before you die. We're not talking about older people here. You know, this can, this is everybody in life. This might happen at any mo any moment, and of course. We have different emotional drivers and different things that we think about at different points in our life.

And so what was important to us in our thirties may not be the same as what's important to us now in our seventies because we transition through life and different things make us tick, and that's just part of life. And so we constantly need to be revisiting that even. You know, even in a five year timescale, even if you're on a decluttering journey in itself can make you change your ideas and, and thoughts and processes about what is important to you as you reconnect and re and, and understand things.

So I think, you know, so we need that inventory, but in order to get there, we need to go on that emotions based dec declaring journey.

Ingrid: Mm. Yeah, I think it, you're so right, Lesley. It does change in the beginning of your decluttering journey when your decluttering muscle isn't so strong yet, you're probably eager to hold more. Onto more things, but the more and more you develop that declutter muscle, the more and more you look at your own behaviors.

Why are you keeping stuff? Where is it going? How are you doing? What else do you. The more you can go back and go, wow, I kept that when I did this room or area or draw last time, but now I'm a different person. And we see that a lot within our, inner hub membership community, right? Like, wow, I'm now on a second or third pass and wow, I'm completely seeing things and my home in a different way.

And that's when we kind of really go, that's the kind of like, ha light bulb moments like. You know, fantastic because I think when you're stuck with clutter for a long time, it's really hard to see through that. But once you start to peel the layers away a little bit, then you can really start that massive mindset shift as well.

So absolutely fantastic. But you need to understand that, when you're decluttering your home.

Lesley: Absolutely. And so one of the really important things that I think a lot of people think that they're gonna do later in life, is. Your sentimental items. So as we go through life, we keep things along the way that we think are special. So they're very special at the time that they happen 'cause their memories or you know, kind of little souvenirs of things that we have done, whether that's tickets or pictures that have been drawn by your children, whatever.

And so something becomes a sentimental item and we just put it away. We just put it away for later. And so. We need to really look at why are we doing that and what are we expecting to get out of it, and when are we going to actually get the joy from that item? That was the reason and the driver for us to have kept it.

And I have to say, in our job, we work with a lot of older people as well, and those sentimental items that people have kept for decades have never been looked at. And so the joy is not. Kind of coming up. We call it a warm, fuzzy feeling inside, don't we? Where you just immediately are transported back to that place where, oh, I loved that time.

And you know, I remember that, all that kind of stuff. But they lie buried in a box, in a, in a, you know, up in the loft, in the attic, in the basement, whatever, without people looking at them. What we really want you to do is we want you to go through those sentimental items now, and sometimes that can take. Months. Call it Ingrid. You know, take your time to enjoy it. Don't think, oh, I need to do that this weekend, and just go, I've gotta sort my sentimental license out.

You know, really go through it, give you time. Give yourself time to look at the photos, to read the letters, you know, to share with the people as well. Really, really important. So sentimental items doesn't need to be, it should not be, in fact, a quick project. It should be a completely different type of project to any other decluttering, but do it now so that you can enjoy it.

Now, this is not just for other people, is it?

Ingrid: Yeah, exactly. I think it's really important to, to, think about, okay, I'm gonna find, I'm gonna go on a treasure hunt. This is about the quality over the quantity. I've kept all of these boxes with all of these. Things. I mean, I did a, a, a very big art project, a children's art like and boxes and boxes, sort of children's art. And it was like, you, it's impossible to keep all of this. We need to now already thin it out. And she still kept more than. I would've hoped, but compared to how much there was, she did an amazing job. And maybe in the second future round, it's gonna go, actually, I still have too much now I'm gonna do the quality of that, what I have now.

But the volumes were so high. And then how do you find out if you've got so many things, then nothing is special. And you know, you know it. When you see that one picture, that one letter, that one item, you go, oh. Yes, this, I, I love this. I'm so happy. And, and it, it goes the same for sentimental items. It works really well with books and clothes and all of the other things, and that's why it's so important to do sentimental items later in your decluttering journey. But because you build up your decluttering muscle, you trust yourself to make the right decisions. And, and yeah, treasure hunt, definitely. But enjoy it.

Lesley: Absolutely. And I think, you know, whilst we're decluttering, whether that's sentimental items or anything else. This is our opportunity to re, to look at whether we are clinging onto a past life. This is something that we often do, isn't it? particularly if it's a, if it's a life that we really enjoyed.

You know, we talked a little bit be bit before about transitions and the fact that we change and our relationship to stuff changes. But we change as well. And often we, we sort of cling onto something from the past, not just sentimental items, everything. And it's about allowing yourself the opportunity to let go of those past identities if you want to, you know, maybe retaining some sentimental items relating to them, but really, you know, analyzing and being sensible and pragmatic about what life looks like now.

And so it's about that recognition that life continues to keep ebbing and flowing and shifting. And that we can't have all the stuff relating to all those past identities, even though that was a part of us, we need to kind of, you know, almost like, thank it and move forward a little bit because we're, we, we want to have less.

Ideally, we, as we go through life, we should start slowly but surely see less in our lives rather than more, and I think that's the typical trajectory, isn't it? So we really need to create that home, that s that supports who we are now. Really, really important.

Ingrid: Yeah, and I think one, one way to do that as well to kind of have less is to go, and this is number five, just to let go of all the duplicates that you have in your home. Let go of all the items that you think. Yeah, I, I have that, but I've got another one that, it's just the same thing. You see it a lot.

For example, in kitchens, right? Where that aspirational clutter has just built up and then there's another machine, then another machine and another machine, and you're like, hold on a minute. I've got one machine that does all the things. I don't need all the other ones. I wanna let that go and I am just gonna. If I need one job done in the kitchen, I'm gonna use that machine because it can do just as fine as a job as the one that I always grab. But I need to just create some space because let's be honest, at some point you're probably going to downsize as well, right? So if you're living a, in a family home, that you're probably at some point going to downsize. So you don't wanna wait until the last minute to kind of go through these things. You might wanna move closer to your family or. In, in another apartment if instead of a house and all of the things. So you want to make sure that the things in your home are for your, exactly for your current life, what we spoke about.

But a way to do that is to let go of all those duplicates.

Lesley: I think the things that we've spoken about, Ingrid, are all, you know, basic dec cluttering. You know, methodologies then, but with an eye on the future, with an eye on the facts, that over time you're probably going to want to start to pare down a little bit on the amount, amount of items that you've got, or simplify the types of things that you have or prepare the kind of things that you've got with a view to passing them onto other people.

So it is about creating a life that. Fits you now, but with a little nod to what potentially might happen in the future. But really the primary motive for the things that we've spoken about so far is ourself. It is not other people. So after the break, we're gonna come back and we're gonna talk a little bit more about the practicalities of the types of things that you need to do to really help out other people.

If and when she says, when, you pass away.

Ingrid: Hi everyone. Welcome back. We are talking about the 10 things to do before you die. Now, normally, Lesley, we do a bit of a tally, right? To see kind of how we're doing, but actually. think we probably can say we're doing pretty well on this. I think we are practicing what we preach. Don't we really?

Lesley: Absolutely. I think, I think it would be wrong if we weren't, if I'm, if I'm honest, if we weren't doing these things which are just basic decluttering, then we would be epic failures as professional organizers. But I think, you know, it's really important to the, probably there might be some things that we could probably do better these, this second half, to be fair.

you and I both in our fifties, you know, we've not at this moment in time, even though we've, we've already decided we're, and discussed the fact that we're quite pragmatic when it comes to discussing and thinking about death of ourselves or those people around us. we're not quite thinking that it's gonna happen imminently at this moment in time, but if it is something that you like, oh, you know, not got long, long, left, or whatever to say that really.

One of the most important things, arguably the most important thing, is that you need to have your affairs in order from a paperwork perspective. So the people that are left behind can do what they need to do to move your estate on financially. from a a property perspective, we really need to get this paperwork organized.

'cause if it's disorganized, it's mayhem, isn't it? Ingrid?

Ingrid: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, how often do we hear it, you know, from our clients within our, our inner hub, community that they've taken on an estate and there's like 40 years of paperwork that's never been sorted, never been decluttered. Then it is you first need to spend days, weeks, sometimes months, just trying to, to figure it out before you can even move ahead because when the paperwork is not in order, do you know where the bank, the bank. Accounts are where the paperwork is, which utility company to call, what to the things. And of course now we live in this kind of halfway house between paperwork and online. If there's no, any knowledge of the what's online and log in account numbers and any of that, oh my goodness. Honestly, you need to really, that's really an important stuff because going to probably have an executor or somebody's gonna. Help you if you're, if you're the li, if your, if your partner has passed away, it's probably your children or somebody else that does this. You know, where can they find the will? Where, where are the key documents? How of the things, and a lot of people find, you know, they're very distraught when people pass away and then when they've got this whole to sort out.

It can be, you know, it can be a lot for people that have also already busy lives themselves.

Lesley: I think the problem is as well that. It's not an open conversation for a lot of people. This is the problem that we have. You know, you and I have discussed the fact that we're quite pragmatic and we're very open and we will discuss these things honestly with the people around us. But a lot of people don't like that 'cause they are a little bit like, stick my fingers in the, in our ears and I don't really wanna think about it.

And so, you know. You also have a responsibility as a, as a, as a child, as somebody that's aging potentially, to start to have those discussions about have you made a will? Is there a power of attorney in place? You know, have you got some, you know, have you, are the, are your passwords in the right order so I can get to them?

All of that kind of good stuff, you know? But we don't like to have that conversation because, you know, people are not the same as Ingrid and people are like, I don't wanna talk about that. I either emotionally you don't wanna think about it or you don't want, you don't know how the other person is gonna respond to that.

'cause they're like, oh, he thinks I'm gonna pop, you know, pop my clocks next week, kind of thing. So it is that. So I accept that it is a difficult discussion, but nevertheless, it's a really important discussion whether you are the person or whether you are the child of, or, you know, dependent of a person.

These are important conversations to have. You know, I was talking to somebody last week whose, father was dying. Said it was all a bit of a last minute scramble. 'cause whilst he was completely, you know, with it, he had not made a will. So it was a physical ailment. They knew that he was dying. He had not made a will last minute scramble, and then he died four, eight hours later.

Right. So that, you know, luckily that was in place, but. This is hard, you know? 'cause if, if he had not been, then it would've been a disaster. And then all of a sudden, you know, it's months and months before will you know, and all that. And nobody wants that. And the person probably doesn't want that for their children or dependents either.

So a couple of difficult conversations can really move these things on. So you do have to start to get your paperwork organised And what that means is you need to start labeling things, explaining things, what things are giving passwords, using password managers. All those kind of things need to be, you know, even if it's not password managers, write it down in a little book somewhere to make sure that your son, your daughter, whoever is, you know, involved in your kind of estate or wellbeing or whatever, knows how to get these things really, really important.

So paperwork is absolutely one of the most important things to do before you die.

Ingrid: Yeah, definitely. let's move on to the next. I mean, we could do like a, a, a

Lesley: Yeah.

Ingrid: about paperwork. Hello Lesley. But let's move on to the next one and that we're going kind of back to the sentimental items bit because. The items that are important to you might not have any meaning for other people.

If they've never heard a story about the item or that special ornament or that photo that you treasure, that's always on your, next to your, or next to, on your, on your bedside, or whatever. you don't share the stories. Of sentimental items or even your life, like some people have had such amazing cool lives, Lesley, like totally incredible. But if you don't ask, if you never share about that, or you never have a chance to lock that or write it down, might be really helpful for the people around you to kind of go. Hey, have you ever actually told you about this? Do you know why I've got, I mean, some people have such amazing things in their house, honestly.

Lesley: And that's in Ingrid as well. It's important to, you know, we talk about as people having incredible lives and interesting lives and stuff, even the ordinary and mundane is interesting to those that are left behind. You know what I mean? So someone's innermost thoughts and feelings, you know, they might don't need to have been, you know, hobnobbing it with sort of celebrities and superstars and film stars to be interesting.

And so I think it is, but it's important too. As you say, to share the story, behi the stories themselves, and then the stories behind the items, because that then makes your decision when you are the one that's left behind about what you keep, it makes those items much more meaningful. 'cause otherwise

Ingrid: Mm.

Lesley: somebody else's memories.

They're not yours. But if all of a sudden you have the story behind it. Then, you know, just the fact that that was really important to your mom, your dad, or whoever, means that it's something that you might wanna keep. And so really, really important to, to do storytelling and to spend the time to, to listen and to share.

I think moving on to number eight, Ingrid. when we are, we've talked a lot about decluttering. We've talked about paperwork, we talked about sentimental items. I think it's important when you start to. Go through your home for other people. So if you are, you know, effectively preparing your home for somebody else to take it over at some point, it's important to set up sys simple systems that make sense to other people.

So, you know, we talk a lot about gathering, like with like, you know, if you've got. Paperwork. Then put that into sensible, logical systems that make sense, not just to you but to other people. Really think about the terminology that you are using. The simpler, the better. Is gonna make it easier for somebody else to navigate when you are gone.

You know, people need to go, oh, that's where mum put the blah, blah. Or that's where her paperwork would be. Oh, she said that it was here. 'cause a lot of people hide things as well. So, you know, particularly older generations, you know, those things are under the mattresses a lot of time and we need to go out searching for them and sometimes we're missing treasures.

And so it's really, really important to set up. Your home for somebody else to be able to navigate and find what they need to find. Right.

Ingrid: Yeah, I think that's really important because of course, you know when when somebody passes away, there's a lot of grief, you know, and, and there's a lot of Organising to do, you know, because I mean, especially in the Netherlands, you've got five days and then. People get either buried or cremated within normally five working days.

That's it. So there's so much to do and sort out that it's really nice to have the things in a logical place that if you're looking for something, you're kind of going, okay, that makes sense. That's where it would be. And you might not be able to lay your hand at it as quickly as you would be in your own house, but. It, it starts to make sense because basically you're trying to find stuff in somebody else's house. And of course, you know, if it's your mom, it's maybe even still your childhood home or you kind of know your mom's thinking, but it'll be so helpful. And that doesn't mean labeling everything until an inch of its life, but it does make kind of common sense, really kind of helps so much.

Lesley: Absolutely. So, I think this is the time as well, Ingrid, if you have procrastinated over something for your entire life because it's difficult for you. Or it's a sentimental item from somebody that, that you have lost over the years and you have been avoiding it for years, if not decades. Now's the time to go full throttle.

And go for it. So, 'cause if it's difficult and you've been avoiding it, can you imagine if you then have to pass it to somebody else, that person will either not give it a second thought, which is really upsetting as well, to to think about. Or they will also, you'll, you'll perpetuate that procrastination.

So there's two ways that it can go. so if you've been avoiding things, the drawers, the boxes, the hidden spaces. Then really think, you know what, now's the time. I need to crack on and do that. And this could be, you know, tackling things that you've been avoiding. This might be something like putting power of attorney in place.

It might be making that will, it might be having that difficult decision. All of these kind of things, if you can preempt them. Now's the time to go for it. We, we, we get completely, these are difficult decisions and difficult conversations. If there's something that you want specifically at your funeral that is not written down anywhere, have that conversation.

Tackle the things that you've been avoiding because it will definitely help in the long term.

Ingrid: I think we hear that a lot, don't we Lesley? when people say, literally just done my aunt's house, my mom's house, and now somebody else's house, I am never gonna do this for my own children. I think it's not until you've done. A clear out of a house until you realize how important this is. So if you've never done that, but if you're kind of thinking to yourself, whoa, it really is helpful for the people who are left behind because there's, besides the paperwork and the funeral or cremation, there's so many things to organize that having less stuff can really, really helpful.

So, but that means that you now have to go, okay, I'm gonna have to buy the bullets here. And I, I know I've got these boxes, but it's. It's time. It's time.

Lesley: Absolutely. And so we've gone through nine things. It's, it is sort of, you know, it makes you quite reflective, doesn't it? And I'm sure this podcast will be getting people thinking about their own mortality, the mortality of their loved ones and things like that. So it is a difficult topic we know for a lot of people.

So we hope that we've not triggered any sort of negative or difficult thoughts. but equally. We stand behind the fact that it's really important to discuss these things. So take in what we have discussed. our number 10 really is to just try and get, now is a decluttering project ever finished is the question.

But we are gonna urge you here in this podcast to try and finish. What you started. So to have a kind of end point to, to say, do you know what, I think I've got my house to a good state to pass it on to somebody else or for somebody else to, to sort of step in and navigate it. Don't leave those loose ends.

You know, we talked before about procrastination as well. Really try and complete the project and then go through a kind of a, an explanation to the people that are gonna be left behind as to what you've done and why you've done it. 'cause that really will help you. Feel, you know, Ingrid was just talking there about, we've got so many people in in our world who are like, I'm never doing that for my children.

So if you don't want to do that for your children, this is something that you're gonna have to kind of get on with and hopefully finish and not just kind of leave forever. there's no point in doing it. Half done. It's either done or not done, if that makes sense. And it will give you a sense of calm to know that you're leaving behind a home to your loved ones that feels more manageable and does not overwhelm or impact or you know their lives going forward.

So you definitely need to finish the project as best you can and enjoy what you've done because. What we've been saying today is all of these things that we've discussed have got a little, a little nod to the future, okay? They're all like, you know, this is gonna happen and we really need to think about this.

But every single one of these things is gonna improve your own life immeasurably as well. This is not just about other people. This is about you. Simplicity, calm, organization, logic, you know, having difficult, decisions, having difficult conversations. All of these have an impact on you and not just on the people that you're leaving behind, which is why it is super, super important to talk about it.

Ingrid: Yeah, and I think as well, what's kind of a last kind of note then? This doesn't, this doesn't mean you have to go all minimalist and can't have anything in your house, right? But this does mean that. You know where everything is, everything is orderly, everything is sorted. There's no superfluous items hanging about. You can lay your hand on things because if you have got a system and a structure, that means that other people can can understand that as well. So, yes. Oh my goodness, we got through it. Lesley. 10 things to do before you die. but yeah, I think it's really, really helpful and think it, there comes a sense of.

Calm when you know, like, yeah, I'm organized and now I can put that to the side and live, you know? And because we want you to live life to the fullest, right? We want you to enjoy it. Take as much out of it as you can while you're still in, in good health, and you can still do all the things you want to do, but it's, it's just knowing that you don't have all these massive lists of jobs and, and everything to do, and you're kind of like, oh yeah, I'll do that another day.

Because that day. Will come, you know, at, at some point. It unfortunately stops. So, yes. listeners, we hope that this has help been helpful for you and let us know. How do you feel about it? You like, wow, I never looked at it this way. I kind of thought, oh yeah, another day I move it forward. So are you like, whoa, this is really kind of hit home and I need to get my act together and I need to do, is there one thing that you can do and maybe it is right, I need to write a will, I need to get that organized or Yep.

I'm gonna start, and that paperwork that's been like, I've been procrastinating about it. I'm gonna do this. Let us know in the comments, share this with us. We would love to know. for now. Enjoy, enjoy your day if you're listening, you know, and have a great day and we look forward to seeing you again next week. Thanks for listening.