Episode 425 – Say Goodbye to the Maybe Piles

Ingrid: In our book, Reset Your Home, we wrote, "There is no place in this journey for maybes." we wrote about it for good reason. later, maybe I'll ask someone, maybe I'll decide when I'm not so tired. In this episode, we chat through why maybe is one of the most common ways a decluttering session gets stuck, really going on when we can't decide, and how to make decisions you can feel confident in without needing everything to be perfect, final, or rushed

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Ingrid: hello listeners and hello Lesley. Nice to see you for another brand new podcast, and in this podcast we're gonna talk about maybe. If there's one word that we hear all the time, Maybe one day. Maybe I'll get around to it. Maybe I'll keep it. Maybe I'll let it go. maybe.

All the time we hear it

Lesley: Exactly. And it took us back when we were prepping this podcast, we were like, "Oh, we used that as one of our quo- quotes in Reset Your Home." It took us right back, 'cause I think it was, like, this time two years ago that we were in kind of final edit time for our book, which came out in February 25, was it?

February 25. So I think... Yeah, I know. So it's took us right back. So we were like, "What chapter was it?" And I was like, "I'm sure it would've been the garage chapter." 'Cause the- there's definitely a lo- a lot of maybes that show up in garages, lofts, and basements. And so we wanted to really go into why maybe's not a great option, and why we need to be a little bit more forthright and specific in our decision-making.

So today's all about the maybe, isn't it, Ingrid? Maybes, we're gonna eradicate. We're gonna say goodbye to the maybes in our decluttering journey. That is what our podcast... that's what we're aiming for with this podcast. Whether we will eradicate them completely is a completely different thing. How are you in terms of decision-making?

Tell me, Ingrid, are you a good decision-maker?

Ingrid: with stuff, yes. with other things, I mean, you know this, Lesley, we work together, like, day and night. When I say, "Oh," you're like, "You need time to think about it, don't you?" I'm like, yeah, I just can't sometimes make decisions quickly when it's a big thing, I just wanna take time to ponder about it and to think about it, and yeah. I just... I find that difficult sometimes to immediate- not when it's an easy decision, but when it's a bit of a big decision, I, need the time to just also talk it through maybe with my husband, because he always is very sensible as well. when it's about stuff, I'm like, I'm good. I'm really...

I think I'm, Yeah. I, really... I mean, of course, I've got some maybes in my house. I mean, nobody's

Lesley: Excuse me, we're doing say goodbye to the maybes. But there's no... You can't come clean and say you've got maybes in your house. that's not allowed

Ingrid: maybe, five or something, but not, like, a house full of maybes. And normally it's a bit like, yeah, I'm keeping it or it's going. There's not a lot of gray area with stuff, I think. but I mean, that makes sense, right? Because I've built up my decluttering muscle over a very long time, and I've practiced a lot.

Lesley: I think it's an interesting one really. Yeah, in terms of decision-making. So there's decision-making relating to a lot of different things in life and, you know what I'm like, I'll make a decision in about four seconds flat and stick with it through, through thick or thin. So I'm not really thinking about anything really, I'm just like making that decision and, living by it.

So I'm different but, yeah, exactly. So I think, but when it comes to stuff I do firmly believe that you should make a decision. So I'm gonna challenge you later about whether that stuff that you've spoken about in your house is actually a maybe, and I think we're gonna discuss some of that, some of that in today's podcast, 'cause I don't believe that it actually is.

But anyway, so

Ingrid-1: I

Lesley: what we...

Ingrid: think of anything right now,

Lesley: know,

exactly

Ingrid: Lesley. So I'm like, huh, maybe I've set myself up here for,

Lesley: Maybe you needed time to think about whether or not you've got maybes

Ingrid: Yeah

Lesley: in your house. Maybe that's the problem. I put you on the, I put you on the spot and said, "Have you got any maybes?" Maybe that's it. We're saying maybe quite a lot. Maybe we're saying

Ingrid: know,

Lesley: maybes, maybe you've got some maybes. And it's like we're gonna have...

We need to, put a tally of how many times we say maybe, in this podcast. Anyway, maybe we will do that, maybe we won't. But before we get started, let's talk about what we actually mean by a maybe in a decluttering context. What does it actually mean, Ingrid?

Ingrid: I think we use it as something that we're just not sure about, right? So we c- Because I think a lot of people who have clutter find it difficult to make decisions because they don't trust their own gut feeling anymore. They might have, in the past, tried to declutter by pressure by people, or by pressure that they put upon themselves, and then they've decluttered some items that they were unsure about, and now they don't trust their own gut feeling that they're making good decisions. And I think that's when the maybe gets bigger and bigger, but maybe what if I need it someday? Maybe it's a mistake to let this go. But this cost so much money, and all of the things that work around maybe. I think it's just don't want to make that, or we feel don't feel ready to make that decision. we then try to work around that by going, I'll just put this in a maybe pile or something," instead of going, "Yeah, it's staying," or, "Yeah, it's going." But that no man's land I think is very, difficult, especially when there's, five items, like me, in this... I'm just gonna randomly say five items, then it's not a problem. But when you've got a house full of maybes, that's the problem, isn't it?

Lesley: Yeah, or, in fact when you have done a decluttering project and you've got as many things in the maybe pile as you've got in the go pile or in the stay pile. So really what we're talking about in terms of maybes is we're talking about Decluttering is all about making decisions about what stays and what goes.

And so for most people, that maybe is, I'm not, as you say, I'm not ready to make that decision, so I'm gonna leave it for later. So there'll be a definite pile of stuff that's gonna go, and that can go to lots and lots of different places. There'll be a definite pile of things that are gonna stay, and again, that could go...

Those, those things can go to lots and lots of different places. We're not worried about that at this moment. At this moment, we're deciding whether or not it stays or goes. And then we've got this thing in the middle, and for whatever diff- for whatever reason, and mostly because of emotional decisions that are too difficult to make, we decide that we're not ready to make that decision.

So it's we're procrastinating on that decision. Now, the problem with that is, of course, Ingrid, it keeps that clutter circulating. we talk about churning all the time. And so churning, just for anybody that's not heard that terminology, is where stuff never actually leaves. You're not quite sure what to do with it.

It might be stuff that we wanna sell. It might be stuff that we're not quite sure about. It sits there in a bag, and we're churning it from place to place. So we think that we're doing a decluttering project, but actually there's so much stuff that's just being churned from one part of the home to the other.

Nothing is actually decluttered until it leaves your house. And so what then happens... And it's not just about the stuff, it's about the decision. So what's gonna happen with maybes is that decision is still gonna be there waiting for you to make it. And not only have you got the stuff, you've got the nagging decision there waiting for you to make it as well.

So we're gonna come clean and say what we believe should happen, what we do with our clients, what we tell our, encourage them, not tell, 'cause that sounds a bit dictatorial, although I'm sure there are times when we have been dictatorial, Ingrid. That we encourage the people that come into our world to do is if you feel that you're not sure about something, you keep it.

you're not ready. You're obviously not ready to make that decision, so you keep it. If in doubt, don't throw it out is one of our mantras, which a lot of people love. Obviously, the normal mantra is if in doubt, throw it out, and we're like, no, 'cause if you throw it out and you're not sure, it's a maybe in your mind, then what's gonna happen is that you're gonna second-guess yourself further down the line, and you're gonna have regrets, which then leads to resentment of the decluttering process, and then you don't feel confident in the process going forwards.

So we're gonna come clean right at the beginning saying we don't believe in maybes, which is why we're doing this podcast. We believe in a, these things can go, these things can stay, and if I'm not sure whether it's a goer or a keeper, then it stays until the next phase, which we're gonna come back to later.

So it's really, important for us to stay up front what we believe is the, fix to maybes, and that's it. So Ingrid

Ingrid: Yes, I think we're really odd ones out with this, Lesley, because I think, like you already said, everybody says, "If in doubt, throw it out," and we're like we're, like, the ones, like, what do you say? Shouting in the desert or something like, don't do that." We're, like, the only ones. Like, everybody's "Yeah, I'll throw it out," but then we're like, no, that's the wrong decision." You need to be firmly behind every decision that you're making, whether it's staying or going, and when it's going, it feels good, and you're like, "This feels good. This feels like the right thing for me to do." And we know that decluttering is not a one time and then you're done kinda thing. Declutter, you have to do decluttering the rest of your life. And I mean, I sound really happy saying that, but people go, "What? The rest of my life?" yes, as long as stuff comes into your house, you have to keep decluttering. But it becomes easier, because you're gonna trust yourself more and more that it's the right thing. Will you do decluttering perfectly? Life is not perfect. You will make the odd mistake, but once you start to rely on yourself to make the best decision in that moment that fits with your lifestyle, with what you think is important, what you think will fit with the current you and the future you, it all starts to change. And then you're gonna go, "Oh, okay. Yes, I'm not gonna be worry about all the maybes because at some point I'm gonna come back to this drawer, I'm gonna come back to this room, I'm gonna come back to this shelf, I will have a look at it again. And because I've built up my decluttering muscle over time, it's going to be easier the next time around." And then you might go, "Wow, all of these things were maybes time I looked at this. But now I'm feeling much more certain this is actually a keeper," this is a goer." there, the l- the... You will have less and less gray in the middle the more you practice this decluttering, the more you give yourself a go at, at doing this. But when you declutter, and you then wear yourself out because you've done too much, and then you don't look back at it for three weeks' time, then you have to kinda go, "I'll have to kickstart myself again." you declutter in kind of small, manageable chunks, h- start to get that little rhythm, and then you start to grow in that confidence, and you start to grow in what you think is the best thing.

And the maybes will become less and less. you will grow that confidence with yourself over time. This is not a skill you can just turn on and off. you have to build on That's like you have to build habits of doing things daily and doing things weekly. Th- it's not a stop-start situation. It's, building upon yourself and going, "You know what?

I'm doing... This is really great. I'm doing this And that doesn't mean doing it perfectly

Lesley: You know what, Ingrid? You're so right, and I just wanna, just jump back to something you said there, which was about confidence, a- and about, it- it's not a given. It's not a start. you need to feel confident in your decision-making. And if we jump back to that t- that phrase, if in doubt, throw it out, versus, if in doubt, don't throw it out, I think some people who will happily declutter a room are confident that they won't have regrets or worry about what's gone.

so there are, loads... M- there are more people in life who are confident in their decluttering making, dec- decluttering decision-making than are not. So that's the truth. So our communities, the people that are in our world, are naturally more lacking in confidence in that they're making the right decisions for lots and lots of different reasons, for what's gone on in the past, all of those kind of good things that we're not gonna really talk about today.

So I think it's about recognizing that you're not yet confident, and recognizing... confidence is not a personality trait. It's a skill that you have to learn and you have to do. So it's okay for... If in doubt, don't... If in... I'm getting confused now. If in doubt, throw it out works really well for people who will never second-guess themselves and never worry about it.

They'll go, "Oh, there was this thing that I chucked away last week, and it's gone, and I've had to go and buy it again," and not beat themselves up over it. Whereas our people are be like, "Oh, my word, I threw something out. I wasn't sure at the time, and then I did it anyway because I asked somebody and they were like, 'Just, if in doubt, don't throw...

If in doubt, throw it out,' which I did." And now you're lamenting yourself and berating yourself for having made the wrong decision in a rushed way. So that's what we're talking about. Both of those phrases work equally well for different types of people, but we're sitting here, and you're listening to the Declutter Hub Podcast.

You're in the Declutter Hub Facebook group. hopefully you've gone through some of our Inner Hub stuff. There's loads of people. We're all here because we're not quite there with our confidence in decluttering yet, and we're still building it up. So that's what we wanted to talk about. So we're here.

We're emotions-based declutterers. A lot of people don't worry about that kind of thing. Yes, there are emotions that sit behind that clutter, but they're not too concerned about it because they just see it as stuff that's peripheral to their life rather than driving the behaviors in our life, and that's what's different.

So really important. And I think- That it's also important for us to see, what today's all about and what all of our podcasts are about really. it's not, showing you how you can fix this, but it's about making you become aware that this is a thing that you're doing that is, detracting from your decluttering journey.

Having a pile of maybes is detracting from your decluttering journey. We're gonna go down the if in doubt, don't throw it out. We're gonna go for a yes, it's gonna go, yes, it's gonna stay, and anything that's in the middle that I'm not sure about is going to stay until the next time I look at it. And hopefully, as Ingrid says, by the next time you'll feel more confident, that decluttering muscle will have built, and you will be able to make that decision more easily

Ingrid: Yeah. I think it's really important that people kinda start to recognize their own language that they're using as well,

Lesley-1: Yeah

Ingrid: they're doing this, and what's going on inside their heads, and if they're like, "Oh..." Because might go, "Gosh, not realized I've done this. I think I'm not a good declutterer or organizer because I have a house full of stuff," but maybe it's that limbo, that maybe in the middle that's kept you stuck. So maybe a lot of people might go, "Gosh, I'm having an epiphany here. Actually, that's me, and I've been worrying about the maybes all the time, while I can just go, okay, instead of..." We've tried to flip it on its head, right? Be proud of the things you are letting go, be proud of the things that you've firmly decided that you're going to keep, then there will come another time when you can look at it again.

So look at it from a positive way, that you're just building that skill, and, recognize that language that you're using and recognize the things you've been doing and saying for years as, "Okay, oh, but now I know this, can I... What are the things that I can do about this?"

Lesley: So let's go for a break, Ingrid, and then come back in a moment and, delve into kind of what's the difference really between a maybe and a temporary maybe. Yeah?

Ingrid: Mm-hmm. Yes, definitely. Right back

Hi, everyone. Welcome back. We're talking about saying goodbye to the maybe piles, and it's been an interesting conversation so far, I think, because there are a lot of maybes. There are a lot of things that people go, "Oh, I'm not sure." But what do you do then? Because there is something like a maybe and a temporary maybe.

Oh, gosh, Lesley, you have to explain this.

Lesley: Yeah. Yeah. So let's give some examples of a temporary maybe, which are allowed. we talked about being dictatorial before, so we'll continue down our dictatorial route and say that we are going to allow some temporary maybes. Okay, not too long-standing temporary. These are just transient temporary maybes.

And the first one is when we are putting something aside to do a trying on session. So if we are going through our wardrobe, for example, we may decide that it's not sensible for us at that moment in time as we're going through all of the stuff to do a try on session. It's a question that we get asked quite a lot.

And so there will potentially be quite a few maybes, that's why you wanna try them on, in that maybe pile. That's a temporary... We need it to be a temporary maybe file. We don't want that list, that, that kind of, pile of clothes that you want to try on and see whether or not they fit to be there for forever.

This needs to be, I'm decluttering on a Thursday. Friday night I've set aside half an hour, 45 minutes in my diary to do some trying on." So that is allowed because that is just we couldn't do it as part of this decluttering session, but we are going to then, do it this weekend and close out that decluttering.

So that kind of maybe, that temporary maybe is allowed

Ingrid: Probably will mainly be trousers.

I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, a wardrobe declutter. What was in my... I need to try these old clothes." Mainly trousers.

Lesley: Exactly. Exactly

Ingrid: But yes, that is allowed, because, you know, you can't do anti-cluttering and doing all of the things, and then... people can. They're just, there's a couple of trousers that they're just unsure of, and they go, "You know what? I've, done now. I'm just gonna try these three pairs of trousers on and I'm good." there's a lot of people who've not been into their wardrobes for a long time. They might unearth loads of clothes that they think, "Oh, I don't even know if I fit this." I mean, if you don't like the color or the fit or the size or you know it's three sizes too small or too big, then those things get easier.

But there might just be some piles you think, "Oh," you know, some clothes you think, "Oh, ooh, I'm gonna have to really try them on." And like Lesley said, that's okay. You are allowed to have a, trying on pile, but it just can't stay there for months. You have to do it, like, within the day or within the weekend.

Lesley: Exactly. and there are other temporary maybes allowed. so one of them is pausing to ask somebody else, particularly when it's their stuff, okay? Or joint stuff. So sometimes you might be decluttering during the day or whatever when somebody else is not around, or we may decide to reorganize somebody else's stuff, never declutter it, and then we can put it in front of them as here are some suggestions about the kind of things that you might wanna let go of.

That's a useful, strategy sometimes for reluctant, people in your family, is to break it down to something much smaller and go, rather than say, "Can you declutter your wardrobe this weekend?" Make some inroads yourself. Make some suggestions. Quite often we have some kind of... We don't have autonomy over other people's wardrobes, but sometimes there is a kind of unwritten rule that we understand other people in our home's wardrobe.

Might be kids, might be a partner. So if you want to set some stuff aside to ask somebody else, that's a kind of add-on to your decluttering session. That's a temporary maybe, doesn't need to go immediately. we need to again schedule time in our diary for that to happen, but that is allowed as a temporary version, so a temporary version of maybe.

And there's one more, isn't there, Ingrid?

Ingrid: Yes, Lesley, indeed, there is o- one, one more, of things that can be a bit of a maybe, and that is definitely paperwork and sentimental items. We know from experience that these are harder categories of items to do. So if you're at the start of your decluttering journey, you might go, "Okay, hold on a minute, but I'm working in my kitchen or in my, bedroom, and I'm finding lots of paperwork, but that feels like a different kind of kettle of fish. You know what? I'm just gonna put it together, and I'm gonna do it later." So you're not gonna maybe do it, you are going to do it, but you just need to do it in a different time because it's difficult to do. Or sentimental items are something that needs to be done last, but they might be all over your house. That doesn't mean you're n- haven't finished that room or that area that you were working in, it just means that you need to build up your decluttering muscle more before you can tackle the sentimental items. So when you're in your living room or in your bedroom and you're finding sentimental items, you're not gonna go, "Oh, I'm gonna maybe keep them or maybe not." No, "I'm not ready to tackle this kind of category of items yet. I'm gonna put it down so I can do it later, but I am gonna maybe group it together, or put it in one wardrobe, or put it in one container, or... So it does feel like I've done the rest of the room, but that kind of drawer of stuff, that's, gonna be for later." It doesn't mean it's a maybe, it just means that you're not ready for it yet.

Lesley: Exactly. Exactly. So I think there's something else that we've alluded to throughout this podcast that's a really important thing to think about when you're on a decluttering journey, and particularly if you're somebody that's not quite there yet with your decision-making. So if you're seeing these maybes turning up, you've made a decision, if in doubt, don't throw it out, so you've kept them.

You need to be ready for a se- what we call a second pass or a third pass or a fourth pass, depending on how you are and where you are in your decluttering journey. Our Inner Hub members are already teed up ready for their second passes. They're going through our room-by-room roadmap. They know that they're gonna come back to that.

Once they've finished that roadmap, they're gonna come back. It's not gonna be the same, it's not gonna be as difficult, 'cause we're gonna have organizational systems in place. We are gonna have learnt about our decluttering muscle. We're gonna have, understand our emotions a little bit. We've built that up.

And so they know that they are gonna go back and do a second pass on the rooms that they have already done. And I think we almost need to be ready for that because sometimes if you're not ready for it, it becomes, I thought I'd done my whole house, and I've got to do it again." Do you know what I mean?

So we need to be ready for this constant kind of process of decluttering, which is a constant cycle. As if things come into our homes, things need to leave, our lives change, we transition through life, our relationship with stuff changes. And because of that, we need to constantly think about the next phase of that.

And hopefully, if you get rid of 50 things out of one room at the beginning of your decluttering journey on phase one, hopefully it might only be two, three, up to 10 on your second phase, and then you might be just fine-tuning things and getting rid of one or two things, and hopefully it's not a big mammoth undertaking.

It's happening as part of your weekly, resets or seasonal resets. So tee yourself up all ready for a second pass, and then you're not disappointed when you've got to go again. I think that's a really important part of the decluttering process, isn't it, Ingrid?

Ingrid: Yeah, I think sometimes people say, did, my kitchen," or, "I did my bathroom, but it doesn't feel finished. I've only done 85%." For... And we're like, "That's amazing. That's okay. Don't worry about the last 15%." This is not that you have to do every drawer, every shelf, every cupboard, every box, every container perfectly.

You've done a fantastic first pass. Now just move on to the next area, next room, next step on the, roadmap. And at some point you will come back, and it will... You will start to see your home and the items that live in it in a, completely different way. And once more space starts to appear, it's...

You go, "Oh, now I understand. Now I'm starting to understand like with like. Now I understand better where a place for everything in its place goes." This doesn't all happen overnight. This is not the fl- you know, the snip of a finger that this happens. You n- a click of a finger. This is something that you build up over time, and that's why the second pass is so helpful because you will come back to it.

But it will, honestly, believe me, it will be getting easier and easier the more you practice this. It's with everything. When we learned how to type... Do you remember, Lesley, when we went to secondary school and we learned how to type on a typewriter? The old-fashioned one. I had typing class in

Lesley: I never had

Ingrid: after

Lesley: lessons. I never had typing lessons at my school, no, and I'm disappointed that I didn't. that would've been a really useful skill 'cause my typing is terrible. As I'm like typo queen here, and so that would've been handy. Maybe that's why you're good at typing, Ingrid

Ingrid: I don't know, but I actually had it in school when you learned to type with 10 fingers on like a typewriter. But the beginning, it was atrocious. You're like with two fingers, you're like banging away on the keys, and then once you start to find more, and then you start to get more f- more fluent at It's, a, skill you build up, so it just takes time

Lesley: And I think, I think, Ingrid, w- when it comes down to it What we're all about is trying to encourage people to get to a place where they feel in control of every single decision that they are making, so they never get into that stage of regrets. 'Cause as soon as you've got regrets, whether that's regrets of th- something that you let go of, or regrets from somebody who made you get rid of something as a child, later in life, whatever that, if you don't feel in control, then conversely you feel a lack of control, and we all know how that makes us feel.

It sets us into a panic, it makes us worry, and all that kind of stuff. And so it's really important to know where you're aiming to get to. And so many people think, "I'm aiming for my house to be decluttered." What we need you to feel is in control of the decisions that you're making about the stuff that belongs in your home and that serves the current you.

That's what it, this is all about. It's not about getting this right the first time, but for every item that comes in our way, we need to make a decision, even if that decision is to, to keep it for now and to come back in a phase two. a maybe doesn't have a decision attached to it. We are just not making a decision.

So we need to think about these things as a series of decisions. The decision is we k- it goes or it stays, and the things that are in the middle, within reason, we need to push ourselves a little bit out of our comfort zone as well. So everything that we're doubtful of, we can't just keep, otherwise we never make any progress if we're like, if we're doubting every single thing that we find.

So we do also need to recognize where we are sitting firmly in our comfort zone and not pushing ourselves slightly to make, more daring decisions, let's say. And so we need to recognize that in ourselves as well. That's part of the process if you are a person who naturally wants to keep everything.

So there's a balance to be struck here, but ultimately it's about a controlled decision. And so

Ingrid: Mm-hmm.

Lesley: I think, just to close out, next time you're thinking about a maybe, just think to yourself, "Is there a next step with this? Have I got a next step planned? Am I gonna try it on later? Am I gonna ask my partner?

Am I going to, put it into a sentimental box and tackle it at a later stage of my decluttering journey, or am I just avoiding making a decision about this and there is no next step at all?" And by doing that, we can say goodbye to the maybe pile, which would be one of our wishes, Ingrid? Now, just coming back to you again, Ingrid, you said that you had five maybes.

I don't think you've got five maybes. I think you've maybe got some things in your home that are dubious That you're like, not quite sure whether or not I should be keeping that or not," but you've decided to keep, so they're not a maybe. You've not got a pile of things that you're like, "I'm putting that to one side and I'm gonna make a decision about that this weekend."

You've got things of... And we've all got that. We've all got things that are like, "Why have I got that?" You know what I mean? Of course we have because we look at things in a different way. We've all got those, but they're not maybes.

They're, "I made a conscious decision to keep that and I'm not entirely sure whether that was the right decision," or, "Why did I even keep that?"

next time we see it. Would I be right, Ingrid?

Ingrid: Yeah. You would be right. And thank you for getting me out of this mess, Lesley.

Lesley: Yeah. I believe, 'cause I'm, like, seeing a little pile of stuff on Ingrid's work surface, m- a maybe pile. I'm like, "She's not got a maybe pile"

Ingrid: No, That's true. I was just trying to cover myself. So listeners, are you thinking to yourself, "Oh my gosh, I have maybes everywhere. going to maybe even re-listen to this podcast to really let the message sink in, and I'm going to be a bit stronger with myself, and I'm gonna step out of my comfort zone a little bit, or I'm just gonna be clearer in the decisions that I make.

it's staying or it's going." And maybe this podcast has really helped you with that as well, and we really hope it has. So thanks so much for listening. what

Lesley: I'm gonna do? do you know what I'm gonna do, Ingrid? Do you know what I'm gonna do?

Ingrid: What?

Lesley: I really want to know how many times we've said the word maybe, and it's a really easy thing to do, right? We can just do a word count on it as to how many times we've said maybe. So how many t- times do you think we've said maybe?

Ingrid: 50 times?

Lesley: 50.

Ingrid: Yeah

Lesley: that's a good guess. I'd say something like that. But I'm gonna go for 42 maybe, I've given you three more there. and, yeah, I want everybody else to, to tell us in the comments how many m- times do you think we said the word maybe in this podcast. We'll give you an extra one for the title as well.

And, we'll leave the comments sitting there for a few days, and then maybe a week later we will, pop in the actual answer

Ingrid: And of course, I was asked actually as well, because we started off with that, it took us back to the book, thinking about this podcast. you're like, "I wanna read more about there is no place in this journey for maybes," check out our book. you can find all the details on declutterhub.com/book, and it's Chapter 8, all about garages, basements, and lofts, where you can find more information, and where there are lots and lots of maybe items often. So yeah, maybe I'm now, because I've said

Lesley: Yeah, I know exactly. Now she's we've been literally since we said we were gonna do a tally, I think we've done an extra 15. I'm gonna change my 41 is on the scarce side. Like I- I'm gonna go 65

Ingrid: I'm gonna go 75 then. So listeners, let's, sl- keep it there, but we'll report back. I've made a note that Lesley is gonna do a tally of this. So thanks so much for listening, and we'll see you next week