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Episode 114 – 10 Christmas items to declutter today

In today’s episode we are talking about the 10 Christmas items to declutter today. It’s the start of December and most of us are going to be putting up our Christmas trees and decorations around our homes soon, so now is the perfect time to reduce the amount of Christmas items that you have.
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Intro  0:07  
Welcome to today's episode of The declutter of podcast, your channel for super easy, no nonsense advice on how to declutter and organise your home. Please welcome your hosts professional organisers, Ingrid Jansen and Lesley Spellman.

Ingrid  0:32  
Hello, and welcome listeners to Episode 114 of the declutter hub Podcast. I'm Ingrid and endlessly if you have clutter and want to sort it out, this is the show for you. Now, in today's episode, Lesley and I are talking about the 10 Christmas items to declutter today. Because it's the start of December, and most of us are going to be putting up our Christmas trees and our decorations around our homes soon. Or maybe you've already decorated I don't know. But anyway, Lesley and I have identified 10 Christmas items that you can declutter. Can we really talk about decluttering? In December, Lesley, are people gonna go on Christmas items? Absolutely not.

Lesley  1:21  
I know. But I bet there's gonna be some light bulbs going on. Once we start talking about our little list. Isn't there, Ingrid?

Ingrid  1:27  
So Lesley, have you already put up your Christmas tree? Have you already identified items that you can declutter from your house?

Lesley  1:35  
I'm sure they will. The Christmas tree is going up this weekend. And the reason why I've been holding off it's a different kind of a year, isn't it? People have very divided the sheer aren't there because of COVID. And everything that's gone on, shall we put the Christmas tree and the two Christmas decorations up early just to bring a little bit of brightness into the miserable pneus of COVID. To be fair, and people don't know Christmas is sacred, and we should not do it too early. So I am beholden to my son who was 18. This week, happy 18th birthday, Nathan. I know. And so he was categorically like, you are not putting the Christmas tree Decker or Christmas tree or decorations up until my birthday has gone. So the Christmas tree will be going up this weekend, just in time to start my decluttering of Christmas items.

Ingrid  2:24  
Well, I'm actually in the same boat, Lesley, because my husband's birthday is on the sixth. It's this Sunday. And he does not want a Christmas tree or any decorations in the house before or on his birthday. So I'm actually looking at somewhere next week when I'm going to put up my tree. And maybe you're not celebrating Christmas at all, but you are celebrating a holiday season or another holiday. And it's basically decorations as the big picture. But we just call it Christmas decorations because we put Christmas trees up so we know what we're talking about. Right Lesley?

Lesley  3:04  
Yeah, just insert any of the holiday decorations where we talk about Christmas. Yeah. So when you start to put your Christmas tree up, there are going to be things that come out of those boxes that have lain idle for the past year or so that you're going to look at. And sometimes you look at these things year after year after year, and you put them back in the boxes, even though you don't use them in your Christmas decor for this year. So it might be a little bit obvious, but the first one that we're going to talk about is Christmas lights. Now Christmas lights are a little bit different now than what they used to be because years gone by used to actually change over individual bulbs. And that's not the case they're normally fused in now so they're a little bit different than newer lights. But nevertheless what happens is that gradually slowly but surely, bulbs go and Christmas lights and it gets to a point where too many of them go so you've got more lights off than on the time that these Christmas lights need to be swapped over. They can be recycled straightaway in electrical recycling in the UK, we have electrical recycling out the tips not ideal. We don't want to be throwing things away but there comes a point when they are not fit for purpose anymore because there's more lights off than there are on

Ingrid  4:19  
I know I mean I remember one year we had kind of similar strings of lights with indeed the loose lights. And at one point I think it was my husband but I'm not completely sure a lot of lights were broken he actually managed to rescue some of the lights that were still working. Oh my goodness. It is a fiddly job. I was like okay if you want to do this, you go for it. And we then had a lot of spare lights to replace other lights with so we're being frugal but since the for the environment as well but I agree with the lessee, there comes a point where you just have to give up and especially with those slides, you can still change the light bulbs, but nowadays you can't I I actually still have a string of lights that belong to can believe this or not from my grandmother. And really the old fashioned almost candlelight kind of lamps, I mean, absolutely stunning. But I'm going to be distraught at one point, I probably not going to be able to get those lights anymore, when I'm gonna have to be got. But for now, I'm like, Yay, they're still working. I'm so happy. But having said that, I haven't used them in a couple of years. But I don't think I can let them go yet, because they're a bit sentimental, especially as well. So I actually want to maybe get a second tree where I can put those, I might do that this year, you know what I might get to treat and get a secondary where I can put lights from my grandmother. And that would be Yeah, I

Lesley  5:43  
have, I totally have two trees. I love Christmas, I have two trees. I'm not giving up my two trees lightly. So yes, Christmas tree lights, I mean, one of the things that I do, because I have an artificial tree that's pre lit, so it's got the lights already on it. It's quite an old tree now. So that's why we've got two lights, because one that's kind of a little bit on its way out. And one that's all brand spankin new and lovely and lit. And so what I do is I do use some light on the pre lit tree, I put extra sets of lights just to back it up a little bit. So you can eke out a few more years out of these lights. Don't throw them away prematurely. But just know that these are kind of things that you need to keep your eye on. And once you're not using them anymore, that's the time that they need to go.

Ingrid  6:25  
Before we go to the next thing, just one top tip, test the lights first and then put them in your tree. Don't put them all in your tree and then plug them in and go, Oh, no, half of the string isn't working anymore, because then you have to untangle it all. And it's not a fun job. That's like one of the most miserable jobs is getting the lights out of the tree. So please, please, that's my top tip for today. Tested lights before you put them in the tree. So let's move on to the second one then Lesley. 

Lesley  6:56  
So I've already shared I've actually got two trees, I've got like a beautiful Canada design and a tree. It's all silver and glass and all gorgeous and stuff that goes in one room. And then I've got my beautiful traditional tree that I've had for years, where I've got all the ornaments that I've gathered over the years, things that are lived in America for a couple of years, I bought an awful lot of ornaments while I was there, I buy Christmas ornaments when I'm on my travels as well, to remind me of places, there are things that the kids made when they were little. So it's a real childhood tray. And there's just no way that I could not have that dinner to mean and so I have two very different styles of tree and actually swap them in, I've got two rooms that I can put trees in. Sometimes I've had have it in my kitchen sort of room family room. And sometimes I've in my front room, so I swapped them over, he has not decided yet which which tree is going in which room this year. But of course there are always going to be decorations that you want to filter through and that you want to change you like to buy new as you see things don't you. So what that means is you can't have every single decoration that you've ever owned on a tree unless you keep buying more and more trees. That's also a possibility, but not good. In terms of storage. I think I've gone as far as I can get with my two trees, I don't think I can extend it by more ornaments. And so there are gonna be ornaments and decorations in a tree that you're gonna want to get rid of. Aren't there in grid? Yeah, I

Ingrid  8:17  
think so I think there's kind of I am quite traditional, I have a red tree with silver in it. So it would never occur to me to get suddenly blue ornaments or green ornaments or purple ornaments. But other people, they just love to swap the colours around. They change their cushions in their sitting room. They like to have a matching colour scheme in their tree. And they really enjoy that. And they kind of think you know, every couple of years Oh, I'm kind of done now in green, I want to do something else. But that indeed comes a point, how many colours of ornaments Can you hold in your house? And if you think to yourself, oh, the purple tree was really nice one year, but purple is not going to happen again. Maybe this is not a time to go right? What colours are not going to make a return to my tree. And have I kind of by doing giving trial and error to kind of different schemes and colour schemes have now decided it's going to be a silver tree or a gold tree or red tree or whatever it is. And the other ornaments are just sitting there in the box this year after year and not going to use them anymore. charity shops would love to have this stuff especially at the beginning of December, which it is now it's the start of December. And charity shops would love to have them. So fingers crossed that the charity shops are actually reopening again soon so they can sell this stuff because other people would love this.

Lesley  9:48  
Absolutely. So as you're going through and as you're putting your decorations up on your tree, look at what you keep leaving to one side even if it's just it might not be a whole colour scheme. It might just be individual ornaments that you're choosing not to put up on your tree. And there's a reason for that. Yeah. So really think that through. Once you're decorating your tree, that's the time to make those decisions. Don't leave it until you put your tree away, because you will have missed the opportunity then to donate those decorations so that the charity shop up shops for Goodwill can use them. So now's the time to bite the bullet and to get rid of those ornaments that you no longer use them.

Ingrid  10:24  
Fantastic, fantastic, Lesley. The next thing I wanted to talk about is tree holders. Now maybe like me, you have a real tree, Lesley has artificial tree, I have a real tree. But maybe I decide I don't think this is going to happen because I do really, really like my real tree. But maybe there comes a point that a real tree is really no longer something that I want to do. I have this Christmas tree holders that are taking up space. So maybe if you are thinking about this year, I'm going to swap to an artificial tree because I want to do that. Can you maybe declutter your Christmas tree holder? Because you might not needlessly or artificial? I mean, I don't know anything about artificial trees. Lesley, do you need a Christmas tree holder for it? I mean, I'm sure they're like, I've got legs that pop out properly to put them up, right?

Lesley  11:16  
Yeah, the holder comes with the artificial tree effectively. Yeah. And sometimes that's the case for a real tree as well that they've put them in a kind of a log tag thing that holds them up as well. So you don't always need a holder for a real tree. Yeah, but guess what, I've got sitting right next to me ready to declutter?

Ingrid  11:32  
I've got absolutely no idea.

Lesley  11:36  
Well, you know, based on what we were just talking about, I'd like guess what, I have a Christmas tree holder sitting right next to me in my office ready to send a wedding to put on Freecycle because it's probably about seven or eight years since I've had a real treat. And that's been sitting there that long. So it's time it's

Ingrid  11:57  
just so you know, listeners I made the most of the items on this list I thought of so this is like, I was really your mindlessly I knew this because I thought oh, she's gonna say who's gonna declutter a Christmas tree holder? Well, you aren't aware of this. This is meant to be this is meant to be that's so funny. That is so funny.

Lesley  12:16  
And the thing is, it's really quite hard. Because it's a really again, it's a really beautiful, wrought iron. Got it in America, 20 years old. But why am I keeping something that's really heavy, and takes up a lot of space? Because as I am expanding my Christmas tree ornaments, my space for storing Christmas tree ornaments is kind of, you know, a little bit on the tight side. So I definitely can't keep things that I'm no longer using.

Ingrid  12:40  
Yeah, okay. Well, there you go, listeners. This is really a thing people do declutter them from their houses. So I'm going to give the next one to you, Lesley, because I don't really know a lot about stockings, because that's not something that we in our family have really done. I think I've got one from America, because I lived in America too, as you of course know. And I was given one, but it's more for me a decorative item and not something that we actually use. But Christmas stockings is a real thing, right?

Lesley  13:12  
It absolutely is a real thing in Greece it yes, it absolutely is a real thing. And what you need to do is you need to look it up it very much depends. The problem is with Christmas stockings is that they become Of course, highly sentimental. Because a lot of the time when you have Christmas stockings, it's probably when your children were really young or grandchildren. And so we tend to keep hold of them. But if you are the kind of person that buys new Christmas stockings every year, which a lot of people do, because there are beautiful ones coming out. I mean, you know, when you go Christmas shopping, there are so many beautiful Christmas things out there. It's very hard to walk by, and not upgrade to new ones. But really be honest with yourself. If you've got any old Christmas stockings that you know, you're never going to come back to because you've got some beautiful new ones. Maybe you've had some names put on stockings or something like that. Maybe it's time to declutter some of the oldest stockings that you've got

Ingrid  14:06  
point well made, I hadn't really realised this. So I'm really glad that you put it in the list, Lesley, because that's not something that we do within our family. So because of course, I'm from Holland and we celebrate St. Nicholas. So the Christmas whole Christmas stocking thing kind of passed me by until I actually moved abroad. And I was like, Oh, this is actually a thing and people absolutely love it. So I've heard a lot of stories about Christmas stockings and I was fun. It's so lovely to hear what people are up to over Christmas. What that tradition Sorry. It's so fascinating. Isn't it all over the world? We do this? This a lot of the same things, but a lot of different things to it that makes it so interesting, I think.

Lesley  14:44  
Yeah, really, really interesting. I love I mean, I love Christmas and I love the tradition of doing things with your family on different days. That's what that's what makes Christmas for me. And different days are special and different people celebrate things on different days on Christmas Eve some Christmas De we have Boxing Day here in the UK as well. So it extends over a few days and, and it's interesting when people learn bad things to people and wrap things on Christmas Eve, some people put a stocking out because it you know, it just very much depends on it depends on the age of your children and the makeup of your family as well, doesn't it? Feel it all Christmas? Say, now we're talking about getting rid of Christmas things seem like we're like the mean decluttering ladies, aren't we that are telling people that they've got to declutter Christmas, how mean and we

Ingrid  15:29  
don't want to be mean.

Lesley  15:32  
I'm just looking at this list thinking how mean? Are we actually suggesting that people need to declutter Christmas things, but we know that it's just, you don't need to go crazy. But there are a few little things that are perhaps past their best. That's what we're saying. So don't declutter the whole of Christmas, because that wouldn't be really sad, and not the ideal, you know, message that we want to give out from the declutter hub. But anyway, we're getting all hilarious again, and now and delirious. So we need to stop and move on to the next section of this, you're gonna stick with it for Christmas. Yeah, so we've talked about decorations, and trees and ornaments and things like that. So what's next on our list, Ingrid?

Ingrid  16:07  
Well, let's talk about presents and cards and wrapping and those kinds of things. Because what we see a lot is gift bags, gift wrapping bows, and they're all like crunched up, they've been kind of stored in a bag somewhere in between 26 boxes for Christmas decorations. And they've all just got not nice anymore, you know, they're all a bit damaged, you're not going to use those again. So declutter them, although they've been maybe in your loft for four years, if they're not in a nice state to actually give to somebody else. Just declutter them. And even if they're very damaged, don't give them away to other people. Just put them into recycling, if you can, you know, it's like, there is only so much in life, you can get out of a gift back. And at one point, they're too damaged. And you know, if the bows are all squashed, you know, you can try and pump them up. At one point, you have to go okay, right, this is not going to work for me anymore. This has got to go.

Lesley  17:06  
I think it's about whether the gift bag reflects you, and whether that's something that you would give away. So, and again, it's really interesting when I'm working with clients, and we go through gift bags in general, or Christmas gift bags and say, Is that actually something that you would put in front of a Christmas tree or gift to your friend on their birthday? And they're like, no, because it's too creased and damaged? Am I exactly. So why are you keeping it because it's just going to sit there for years and years and years. And so if you want a quick decluttering project, go through those gift bags, and I can absolutely assure you that there'll be a lot of those that you won't use.

Ingrid  17:40  
Interestingly enough, some people get given a lot of wine from work or colleagues and things of that. But they actually never really give wine themselves because they're not maybe they they are candle people or toiletry people don't they like giving that. So if you've got, honestly we find 40, wine and wine bags that are never been used, if they're still in good condition, please donate them, or freecycle freegle them or anything like that. But if they're damaged again, recycle them and don't let them take up space. So you can actually find the ones that you really want to use. And that makes sense.

Lesley  18:19  
Same principle as well Ingrid for gift tags, you really need to be honest about those gift tags, which is if you've got lots of things that have got Disney characters on them and your children are 37 then you may not need those Disney gift gift tags anymore. Unless you've got grandchildren you've gone into the next phase. But you know, really gift tags tend to hang around and they tend to be in one place. And they just gather for years and years and years. Look at the gift tags. Is it something that you would use? Is it age appropriate for your family now that's the important thing. You don't just keep them forever and ever donate them. It's the beginning of December get those off to the charity shop right now. So somebody else can use them for their Christmas wrapping.

Ingrid  19:02  
Yes. And the same goes for Christmas cards, isn't it Lesley? I mean, there's always a stack left over from last year or a well meaning family member goes out is in the local charity shop or in the local WH Smith and thinks to themselves oh, we need to send a Christmas card let me get some boxes not realising there was still five boxes left over from last year and three from the year before and another one for a year before that. And before you know it you've got hundreds of boxes with Christmas cards. And there's not enough time and energy in the world to write all of them. You change you know you change the kind of card you want to send it. We see it a lot and again not only with Christmas cards also with birthday cards and other cards be very realistic. Is this a card I still want to send this Christmas has my theme change has my mood changed, has my outlook on Card Writing, you know, changed, maybe you send a lot less cards than you would do in the past. But you still in your mind, you're like I need to get a box for Christmas cards. But you actually only arrived about four. So you got four leftover from last year, but you've forgotten about them decluttered them if they're still in good condition. Again, donate them, not in good condition because they've been scrambled somewhere or pushed in between behind something else. Recycle them, if you can let that go, you know, create that space.

Lesley  20:37  
I think old Christmas cards and birthday cards from years ago just have this habit of like sticking around for years and years down the line. Sometimes you look at things and think I can't buy that have I ever sent those Christmas? What was I thinking doesn't mean and then but you still keep them because you feel completely compelled. And a lot of you know when your kids are little and you're like Oh, that'll do you know for their class and things like that, maybe it's that kind of thing that hang around, because you bought three or four packs of them, you got four or five left at the end of it. Those are the ones that can be donated to a charity shop and somebody will be totally delighted with them. So really take the opportunity to look through your cards, your wrapping paper, your gift bags, your bows, your tags to see whether they are something that you realistically and honestly would give to somebody else at Christmas. And if not, it's time to donate them.

Ingrid  21:28  
Yeah, definitely. Now, of course, as you are feeling Oh, Christmas, you know, I know we're talking about decluttering. But still, it cheers me up tremendously to talk about this stuff. I mean, talking about decluttering always makes us happy. There's no secret about that. And I am still giggling about the mean decluttering ladies, because the last thing we want, but we want you to not, you know leave it until January and then suddenly think oh, I actually but who wants this stuff. Now this is the wrong wrong time of year. So and if you're getting it out anyway, if you're kind of gathering it all together to put up to decorate to write, then it's the perfect opportunity to do with decluttering. So it doesn't build up. So I hope this kind of makes sense. Now, if you're thinking to yourself, oh, wow, they've talked about trees. They've talked about presents, but actually there's so much that needs to be done for Christmas and for the holiday season. We have gotten a solution for you. We have written and recorded and got it already a whole course about Christmas alone because we do love Christmas, don't we Lesley?

Lesley  22:36  
So we've been feeling quite Christmassy for quite a while to be so good. We've been recording things around Christmas since maybe like October. And we've in the run up to Christmas has been long for us this year. And our members have already had all that content, haven't they? We've been putting out a different lesson on a different thing. But it's now all packaged up and ready to go as a course in our membership, isn't it so our members have had it. But next year somebody else can have it and there's still time. If you want to join our membership. You can still do our countdown to Christmas. It might be a little bit on the late side to what we would want you to be. But you've still got three weeks and you can action everything in it.

Ingrid  23:13  
Yep, definitely, definitely. Now, we have talked about seven things and we said it was going to be 10 Christmas items to declutter. So let's then do the last three things. Let's the end they all have to do with kind of a Christmas table and our kind of the way we decorate our table. So the first one we want to talk about is tablecloths and napkins. Now, I don't know about you but in my house we normally had like this day to day tablecloth that my mom used to put out when we had like dinner. But for Christmas. We had like this beautiful tablecloth with matching napkins and beautiful matching table rings and everything. But there comes a point there's too much red wine spilled on a on a white tablecloth or a green tablecloth. Always somebody either spills the red wine or the source the back the cranberry sauce or the whatever it is that we like the what else what else do we have with Christmas always

Lesley  24:20  
just general spills as people started to consume our food and drink I'm with same as you Ingrid. I mean, I don't use a tablecloth on one side of the year to the next but I do on Christmas Day for the table. What's that all about? Quite strange. I think it's because we have two tables and so we we have two tablecloths to try and make the tables look the same almost do not mean it's a good way of doing it. But we do have to keep an eye on that tablecloth to make sure that it's still fit for purpose. You want your table to look beautiful on Christmas day when you decorate it all up. But you don't want it to have those gravy and red wine stains that Ingrid's talking about so keep an eye on that tablecloth and if you need to declutter it and get a new one there Now's the time to look at that and to try and buy it in advance of Christmas.

Ingrid  25:04  
Yes, because the last thing you want is a day before Christmas Day, get it out of your linen cupboard, or get it out at your Christmas box and go, Oh, yeah, that bottle of red wine spilled last year, we didn't really get the stains out. There's now no time anymore to wash it and bleach it and do all of those things. It's just too late. And there comes a point, the stains just don't come out anymore. The hardest you try with all of the stain removers and whatever. And there comes a point when you're, unfortunately have to give up on some of these things. So have a look at this. Now it's only the fourth of December, there is still time. If you do realise, yes, this is a good idea lesson, Ingrid, I'm gonna have a look at that. See if you could still Now wash it, press it, irony, whatever you do. And if you then need to come to the conclusion, this really has had its best time, there is still time to go for a backup plan. In our podcast

Lesley  26:03  
recording, we've just had to have a little pause because we were both laughing hysterically about calling ourselves a mean decluttering. Leader. So we've only just come down enough to actually speak again on our podcast, because we were England thinks it's hilarious. Anyway, right. Let's talk about all the things that we have around Christmas that we keep just for Christmas. And so I'm talking about things like charger plates, huge sets of cutlery, special silverware, all of those kinds of things tend to, we tend to bring those out just at Christmas, don't we we keep them for a special occasion. And sometimes that's the only special occasion where we have a lot of people around in the year. I don't know about you. But there's not many times that I sit down 16 people at a table. But Christmas is one of those days. And so we have certain things around our homes that we only keep for special occasions. So cutlery sets, plates, charger, plates, those kinds of things. And sometimes they may be past their best, or you may not want to use them again.

Ingrid  27:07  
Or maybe you used to have a large group of people over for Christmas. But you don't do that anymore. You may be now go to your own children for Christmas, and they invite you. But you still have all the stuff for 16 people for dinner? Well, you might have the biggest number of people, you might only have run outs for six people and not those large groups that you used to have. So maybe you can whittle down the quantity of stuff you have. You might say to yourself, Okay, I don't need 16 Charger plates anymore. But I'm going to keep just for six because that's the number I still do cater for. And that. And the other things I can maybe either give away or give away within my family. So it's easy for me to borrow back some stuff. But don't just keep it all because you used to do it like that while now you don't things change over time. You know, the holidays change the way you celebrate change. And it's more about what's currently happening in my life instead of I'm just holding on to everything while I'm trying to actually possibly even downsize to a smaller house. And you just can't take it all I know it sounds really harsh, doesn't it? But you can't just bring everything with you like you always had everything on your table and you never use it. It's gathering dust in a in a sideboard somewhere.

Lesley  28:30  
Yeah, and taking up valuable space is when these things started to take up space for things that you actually do want to do with your life right now. So maybe you do want to do crafting or something like that, or you have got a hobby that you want to do. And actually, as Ingrid says, do this stuff is taking up space in your sideboard that can be better used for something else. So now's the time to make those decisions to have a look at that kind of thing to see whether that's something that you're going to use going forwards.

Ingrid  28:55  
Yes. And the last thing on the list that you possibly want to declutter, is your silverware. I remember my grandmother and my mother always used to polish their silver before Christmas and everything was shiny and looking all beautifully gleaming on the table. And now I'm like, I can't even imagine having silver little silver bits that I need to polish right before Christmas to have it on my table. So if that's something again, that's stuck in a sideboard or in a console or in a in a kitchen cupboard high up somewhere because it's never ever been used. Either take it out, polish it so you can use it or make the decision. Is this something that I possibly possibly want to sell? Or maybe if it's sentimental as anybody in the family wants to have it and wants to take care of it? Because there's only so much room in a house to keep all these things.

Lesley  29:49  
So have we successfully decluttered Christmas then?

Ingrid  29:52  
I'm definitely not decluttering Christmas Lesley. That will be the last thing that will happen. But I think we're being withdrawn. To be ahead of the game a little bit, instead of leaving everything till after Christmas to then sort it all out. When you're decorating, when you're getting ready for things, just have a little look through and, and if you come across a couple of things you're not using anymore, put them in your donation station, so you can have them ready to donate for the next time you drive past a charity shop or your op shop. I mean, how fabulous is that?

Lesley  30:24  
That was good. That was 10 a good list of 10 Ingrid Johnson.

Ingrid  30:29  
Well, thank you very much. I am now going to finish the podcast and then I'll think I'm going to cry laughing another half an hour about the demean decluttering. Ladies. So listeners that's it for this episode. And we hope you've enjoyed listening and are inspired to take action because that's what it's all about. Thank you so much for being here. And if you've enjoyed this podcast and you think yourself I know lots of other people who could really enjoy listening to Ingrid and Lesley to please share it with other people. On our show notes page. On our website, you can find the sharing buttons. If you want more handy tips and advice from us. You can find it in lots of places. We've got a fab support a Facebook group called the declutter hub community, and we are also on Instagram and on Facebook on a Facebook page. We'd love to see you there. If you'd like to know more about our membership, have a look at members dot declutter hub.com To find out more. If you don't want to miss the next podcast, subscribe to the podcast and we'll pop into your notifications each Friday. We've been asking for reviews and it's just been absolutely fantastic to read your reviews and they make a huge difference to us. So if you've enjoyed today's podcast if you're laughing as well, if you're feeling excited about Christmas, please take a couple of minutes of your day and leave us a review. So thanks so much for listening, and we'll see you next time.

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