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Episode 83 – Do I have too many notebooks?

"Do I have too many notebooks?" is a question that notebook addicts all over the globe are asking themselves. You just can't resist that feeling of a brand new untouched notebook but sometimes they can take over your space and leave you with the feeling that decluttering is on the cards.
In this podcast we discuss the emotions and habits that lead us to having way too many notebooks. If you are a notebook lover, you will know exactly what we mean!
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Transcript of this podcast episode
Intro  0:07  
Welcome to today's episode of The declutter hope podcast, your channel for super easy, no nonsense advice on how to declutter and organise your home. Please welcome your host professional organisers, Ingrid Jansen, and Lesley Spellman.

Ingrid  0:31  
Hello, and welcome listeners to Episode 83 of the declutter hub Podcast. I'm Ingrid. And I'm Lesley. If you have clutter and want to short it out, this is the show for you. In today's episode, Lesley and I are talking about decluttering notebooks. Now, Lesley, we see tonnes and tonnes of notebooks in our clients houses, don't we? And I think you've got a confession to make, haven't you?

Lesley  1:00  
Yeah, it's just quite weird, really, because my Amazon parcel has just arrived with my three notebooks, my new my three new notebooks. And so quite an app today to be recording a podcast on notebooks. But the reason why my three notebooks have arrived is because I haven't got any other ones around because I keep control of my notebooks. I'm not really huge notebook fan. Now, anybody who when we say notebooks, people will have just seen that title of that podcast. And that's me. That's me. If you're not, I mean, you people know if they are a notebook lover. And there are so many people around that just love a notebook and can't get enough of them.

Ingrid  1:40  
Stacks and stacks I find in my clients houses, I mean, they're all over the place. And in what I find very interesting is that I find so many they only use like half or with a couple of pages. And then they kind of get abandoned for another one. So I find all these kind of half used ones as well. And they always look a bit sad. So let's

Lesley  2:01  
talk a little bit then about what is it about notebooks that made them so compulsive almost to buy? People do buy notebooks compulsively? Don't know, everybody. But some people and as I say, you know who you are. So what is it about them? Why are they so desirable?

Ingrid  2:18  
I just think I think there's something magical about a beautiful, crisp, clean. No pages ripped out white paper with lines. There's not been written on our gone through yet. You know what I mean? It's just, I think it just fits all the imagination. For some some reason. I think that's it, and especially when they're like glittery on the outside are really fancy or really beautiful. You know, I think it's just, yeah, I think it's really it just inspires people to dream of things. I think.

Lesley  2:54  
So are you in that group of people that finds them absolutely beautiful? Or are you a functional notebook kind of person?

Ingrid  3:00  
Of what do you think, honestly, I am a functional notebook user. And I've actually don't have really fancy ones. I have practical ones with lines. I use a couple of different ones. We'll talk about that some more, I think in a minute. But no, I am not a notebook lover. But I do see them in the shops. And I think they all look so nice, so lined up. But I know for myself, that I like a certain type of notebook. And I used them practically. So I don't see the point in having all these stacks of notebooks hanging about. Now I think the thing

Lesley  3:36  
is, like some of them are very, very beautiful, as you say, you know, sort of glittery ones and pink ones and all these different types of notebooks. And when you go out visiting places, you know, kind of like National Trust places and things like that. They all sell beautiful notebooks as well, don't they? So they are the nice reminders and sentimental items as well. Now the interesting thing was this morning, so when we were prepping this podcast, we tried to establish because you know, it's not something of course, I see Ingrid around with a notebook, but most of our work is done virtually. So we're not together that often. So I'm like, okay, so what are you like with the notebook show me and like, well, this is my favourite kind of notebook. And so I picked up my favourite kind of notebook of which three new ones have arrived today. And it's an a4 size with lines with a ring binder on it that you can easily rip out the pages. So absolutely functional notebook. Ingrid does exactly the same picks up in my favourite kind of notebook too. All right, something else that we're aligned on then on notebook usage. Do the same thing. We even like the same type of notebook. How many types of notebook are out there actually in the in the world and we have to choose the same type. It's just but anyway, I just thought it was quite funny really? Well,

Ingrid  4:47  
I did confess to you Lesley that indeed for I've got a couple of so I have actually four different notebooks so I use one for the declutter hub. I use a smaller version which I like particular size for my organise your house. And then I've got one for my private stuff. And I've got a little one in my purse to kind of those tiny ones that I can just jot a thought down if it pops into my head, or I need to just scribble something. So I have a very tiny little note in my bag. But yes, for our normal work, we use exactly the same type of notebook, which is very interesting.

Lesley  5:23  
It is very interesting. Now the interesting things in which we've spoken about this before, actually, because we did, we did do a podcast on to do list and we're not very long ago as well. So it's kind of linked in with that isn't it. And we talked about how we manage our to do list, now you've got four or five notebooks, I've only got two. So I keep all my standard to do lists in my big a fat. In my big a4 notebook that I've described, I've just got three more this morning. And then I have an A five notebook where you don't rip the pages out for client work. So if I'm taking notes, if I'm doing you know, if I'm doing a project somewhere, and I'm taking measurements for things, or jot everything down, but what I don't want to do is ever lose that information. So what I do is scribble it out, so I don't rip pages out of it, I scribble it out. So I'll still retain that information. But I don't rip the pages out. Because sometimes notebooks can fall apart can't if you start ripping pages out of a notebook that's not designed to rip pages out of I don't have as many notebooks as you. But I'm more digital and you're more paper based. And that's interesting, as well, as there are some people that definitely love paper that are not digital. So I would do a voice recording, or I would take a picture of something on my phone, and I would do it that way. Whereas you I would never have a little notebook. In my handbag, I would just wouldn't ever do that I would take a picture of it or whatever. And so it's interesting that part of it is interesting as well. And there are some people that are definitely more paper based. But that doesn't mean that you can have 300 notebooks from the last 30 years and you have said cluttering it up. And that's what we're talking about. We're talking about, it wouldn't I don't fall into the decluttering of notebooks because we just use them functionally else do many people, you need to establish whether or not you've got a bit of a thing for notebooks. That's what we're at Have you got a thing for notebooks. That's what we're talking about today.

Ingrid  7:16  
And I think what a lot of people love about a new notebook is that it almost feels that you can start a project, you know, you have this notebook, and you can use it, to write things down, get all your thoughts out of your head. And then I think there's new notebook makes people really creative. I think that's what there's also why it's so tempting to have notebooks around.

Lesley  7:42  
So I'm going to put a slightly more contentious spin on it, which is all about just the notebook then make you more organised. So it's almost like an aspirational item. So are people repeatedly by notebooks in an attempt to get organised. So in the same way that you would buy a subscription to a slimming club or a gym, or something like that, thinking that that's going to suddenly make you healthy or thin. So you've actually got to go and use the gym, you've got to look at what you're eating every day. And you've got to use the notebook to write the To Do lists and and do the to do list. And so I feel there's an awful lot of people that psychologically feel that a notebook is that first step to becoming organised. But possibly don't carry that process on. So that's slightly more contentious. But do think about whether that is you.

Ingrid  8:29  
So that made has made me think about then how I use my own notebooks because as I've just told you, I have four different notebooks. And if I would start a new project with something, maybe a DIY project, or maybe maybe volunteering at another group, or doing something else that I'm not doing before, I would not use my current notebook system to start to write things down that I want to collect, I would actually then probably for that project, take another notebook and start to write things down. So kind of my streams of information are not getting muddled. And that's exactly the reason why I've got two different notebooks for work because they come they require different thoughts and different actions and different to dues and different things that I want to get out of my head. So if I would start something else, I would probably also start a new notebook.

Lesley  9:27  
I think that's a really interesting point as to whether you do you need a separate notebook. So for me, I have one notebook that have all my To Do lists in and I have one for work and the only reason why I've got a different notebook for work really, if I'm honest with you, is that it's smaller, I can carry it around with me and I prefer an a4 size one on my desk. But I'm happily I'm happy to put different to do lists in one notebook. So I do separate the To Do lists out into different areas of work for sure, but I don't feel as if I need a new notebook for each individual one that I know Have a lot of people do. But it would require you to have all those notebooks on your desk. So do you have all those notebooks on the go around you? At the same time? Yes. Okay.

Ingrid  10:11  
Yes. So they're in my desk, they're neatly away in, in a stack in the evening. So I've got a tidy up my desk when I'm finished working. But yes, all my notebooks are together in a tray, where and then in the morning, I'm like, Okay, right, where were we and what am I working on today? Which notebook do I need. And just for me, it's easy to find out where I am with my thoughts. What I would like to advise our listeners, if you're starting a separate project, for example, if you're going to help out at your kids school for if you've got a separate project in work, if it's work, and it goes into your work, you can still use the work notebook. But if it's something completely different that you're normally doing, I would say, because I use a lot of my work or my notebooks as to do lists. So as soon as I've got the list done, I take the page out. So I don't keep all the pages of small little jobs that I've done. While if you've got a big project, you want to probably refer back to notes that you've done. So I also sometimes I do rip out the pages, and sometimes I don't. But what I see a lot is all these notebooks that have two or three pages and then scribbled, and then the kids got to hold the notebook, and then there's lots of drawings in there. And then have the notebook is not never been used anymore. So I really try to stick with my same notebook until it's completely full, and then go to the next one.

Lesley  11:33  
I think it's really interesting, because this is all about how your mind works and how you manage your workflow really, isn't it. So it's different for different people. And obviously, you and I are reasonably organised. And we do get through our to do lists, and we do write things down. So we don't have a problem with that side of it. Our notebooks are definitely functional. I think it's about working out how big a project is. So you're absolutely right, if you start a new big project or a new hobby, and you want to keep all that information in one place, then that deserves a new notebook. But if it's just a task, then it doesn't deserve a new notebook, it's going to have to be something quite meaty for me to start a new notebook. And that is where the problem lies for a lot of people, because that's where we see one page filled out on a beautiful notebook, don't we? So I will regularly with clients when we're decluttering them, rip that page out with the back one out the corresponding back page. And I mean, that comes out on the other side and send it off to charity. Because it's such a shame isn't it to for these notebooks to have like a couple of sentences written in them. People start in earnest, but don't continue on with them. And then keep those notebooks.

Ingrid  12:41  
Let's talk about decluttering, then Lesley, because, like you said, we find them all over the place, because they are everywhere. So you almost need to start collecting them. Before you can even start to consider decluttering, you first need to kind of find them all.

Lesley  12:58  
I think it's a really, really important part of the decluttering process to confront yourself with the amount of notebooks that you've got in your house. So we are talking to some people like what's the big deal with notebooks like I've not got that many, I don't need to be confronting myself with the amount of notebooks. If you are a notebook lover, which is probably who we're talking about more than anything else today. Then there will be boxes and boxes or shelves and shelves of notebooks. And so you need to gather them. Gather them from your workbooks, gather them from suitcases that you've been on holiday from shelves, next your bed, your bedside table, your car, your work bag, your desk, they're just everywhere, and you need to bring them all together to see exactly what you've got before you start decluttering them. So I guess what we're saying is it's so difficult because we've got the standard decluttering emotion. So number one guilt, the reason why we feel guilty about it is maybe because it was very, very expensive. Some of these notebooks can run to sort of 2030 pounds sometimes if they're really beautiful. So we feel guilty because it was expensive. We might feel guilty because a friend gave it to us and we don't want to get rid of something that a friend gave to us. So that's another example of that classic decluttering emotion of guilt. And then we get the next decluttering emotion kicks in which is sentimental that you've mentioned already. We're sentimental about notebooks because maybe someone's given it to us. Maybe it was something that we collected on a special trip you know we all see those in this gift shops when we're on holidays. We see there's a there's always a notebook and a gift shop isn't there always a notebook that you can buy? And so they become very sentimental items. So definitely guilt and sentiment play a huge part in notebook decluttering, don't they?

Ingrid  14:42  
Yes, I think so too. And I think people become kind of notebook collectors over time without kind of realising it. And then when you start to put it all together, there's almost a shock of like, I had no idea I had so many. And then of course you can almost divided into the the unused ones and the used ones, I think that would probably be my first step is to kind of go, Okay, let's make two different categories here, which ones have you used and which ones haven't even been used yet to kind of see, instead of giving it all in one big stack of notebooks, I think you need to do some categorising to kind of be able to take the next step and decide what you're going to do next. So do we think we're

Lesley  15:25  
even going to get to a stage of decluttering? Do we think that we can get our listeners to a stage where they will declutter some notebooks? And do you think that's essential?

Ingrid  15:33  
Yeah, I do. Because I think the notebooks that we collect are all so many different shapes and sizes. And you just need to think to yourself, if you look at the notebooks you have been using, look at the are they bound? Or are they ring? Are they small? Are they larger ones, because if you kind of see yourself constantly grabbing a larger notebook, then maybe an easier thing is to say, okay, all those small size notebooks I really don't use at all, and they can actually go, you can really look at your own behaviours. and think, Okay, what do I do normally? What what notebook would I grab? And that actually makes me happy to work with.

Lesley  16:16  
So I definitely I agree with you, you know, I do try and certainly ask my clients to part with notebooks if they've got too many, and they have more notebooks than they would ever realistically be able to use, and I still buy more. And so I think it's really important to sort of that's why I say that's why we said at the beginning, it's really important to gather all those notebooks together. So you, you are confronted with the amount that you've actually got, because they are scattered all over the house, and you don't always see that. So as part of the decluttering process, we're going to talk in a minute about realism. But before we get started on talking about realism and what you need to do to confront your own behaviours, when you're decluttering notebooks, we're going to talk about a couple of things that are happening within the declutter hub at the moment.

Ingrid  16:57  
Yes, we have we're so excited, obviously, because we actually have got our room by room eight week, declutter bootcamp up and running. Yeah,

Lesley  17:08  
we're definitely going to tackle more than notebooks, aren't we? And we definitely do tackle more than notebooks in our boot camp.

Ingrid  17:15  
Yes, literally, lots more than notebooks alone. We're actually looking at the kitchen clothes, bathroom hallway, garage loft, or basement laundry, books and toys. So yes, much more than only notebooks. That's for sure.

Lesley  17:33  
Yeah, so we guide you through don't wait Ingrid with videos. We've got a forum where you can chat posted before and after pictures, get inspiration, get motivation, ask us questions. We do live q&a Is every week. So there's a lot going on in there. And people are really loving it, aren't they? I think someone said the other day that I felt like I could always do it on my own. But I was never really getting there. And so I just need that final push to get me motivated. And it's definitely worth it. So check it

Ingrid  17:59  
out. Yeah, so go to the declutter hub.com website, click on the shop. And if you scroll down, you will see the room by room. Declutter bootcamp, and we'd love to see you in there.

Lesley  18:08  
So we were in the middle of talking about declutter and how difficult it can be because of the standard decluttering emotions that we feel guilt and sentiment for the most part. And so we said that it was all about trying to keep things real trying to have an element of realism. So why is realism so important, Ingrid?

Ingrid  18:27  
I think because if we are not realistic about how and where and why we use notebooks, we will be collecting them the notebooks for the rest of our lives. And we're going to have cupboards full of notebooks. And that's exactly what we see. So you need to figure out what size of notebook works for you. Do you like a small notebook? Do you like an A five notebook? Or do you like a large notebook? Do you want it with a ring binder? Or do you want to have a bound together? What kind of notebooks? Do you fancy and actually practical for you in your life? And also, I would like you to think about where do you use your notebooks? Is it always on your bedside table? Because you want to jot down some notes at night, because your head is still reeling of everything that's happened and you just want to get some thoughts down? Or do you rather use a notebook as a to do list that you can just scribble through, take off your list, get the paper out, throw it away and be done with it. So think about how you use notebooks and not just have them on a beautiful stack or being beautiful while you never get around to using them.

Lesley  19:32  
So you've talked about it being realistic about the type of notebook that works for you. I think it's also important to be realistic about what type of notebook definitely doesn't work for you. So I'm talking really about the things that you get given us freebies that we quite often get freebies don't we and magazines as little extras are. And they're basically marketing material for a lot of people. And they just to me, they're just not practical, but I know that you don't mind a little notebook. So because you use that in your handbag all the time, but for me, I think I need a bigger notebook, I just I couldn't cope with a tiny little one. So there's certainly some notebooks that appear in your lives that are not going to work for you. I mean, let's face it, once people know you're a notebook lover, they start to buy your notebooks as well as gifts as well. So there might be gifts. So you might have been given a notebook as a gift from a friend, that's the wrong size or not something that would normally use or it's not lined and you prefer lines, or it's not the right kind of paper, or it doesn't sit flat. There's lots of reasons these are barriers. We talked about barriers all the time with decluttering. These are barriers that stop you from you, there's something about that notebook that you don't like that stopping you from using it.

Ingrid  20:43  
Yes, I think that's really true. And you see it also with children. They also get given a lot of notebooks for parties, and for their birthdays, and from the friends because it's really cute to kind of give stationery and with matching pens and glitter pens, and all of those things. And I think my daughter is going to probably hand me over one or two of her notebooks that she's like, they're really nice, but I just don't use them at all. Because they do so much more work on the computer now as well. And not no takers. I think I think I'm still very old fashioned with my note taking. But I think they're far more online. And they probably use the computer and email and their notepads and their things in their phones to kind of keep track of stuff.

Lesley  21:29  
And I think I think you're absolutely right there. And I don't think it's just kids. I know you're a note taker. But some of us are not. It's not just, it's not just the younger generation, we need to be realistic about the way that things have moved on. And the way the way that we devour, and use information and write it down. So for some people, so my kids go through everything with voice memos, they very rarely write and to do lists,

Ingrid  21:52  
but the shops are still full with them. And we still get tempted to buy them. So look at your own behaviour and look at your own life on how you deal with information. Now compared to me in the past.

Lesley  22:05  
I feel like we're coming across this like notebook haters. I think we've been like down with the notebooks like no more notebooks we're being really negative. Actually, maybe what's not coming across is that people get great joy out of a notebook. But what we're saying is that classic thing, which is quality over quantity, and make sure you've got notebooks that are serving you well in your current life. So make sure the notebooks you have around you are useful.

Ingrid  22:33  
Yes. And also, if you have an whole stack of half used notebooks, take the pages out if you can. So if they are ring binders, take all of those pages with half scribbled notes, take them all out. So you actually maybe have a much thinner notebook, but at least it's one that is unused again. And you can start to use that again, instead of flipping from one notebook to the other. And that's also when to do lists and everything get really confused. And because if you're using several notebooks on the go, how do you know where you are, what your to dues, it's better than to go back and maybe one make one new list in a notebook, knock it loose pages, so it actually stays together. And it gets easier if you can keep track of the things that you have planned or want to do or a project that you're working on or a list with dry things around the house or people you need to call or things you have to sort out. Get away from all the little random little loose notes everywhere. And then start using the notebooks that you have. Because I love I love a notebook. I might not like a fancy notebook, but I do love a notebook.

Lesley  23:45  
You love a to do list yellow notebook, you love a to do list. That's something completely different. Anyway, so we've talked about decluttering. We've talked about realism and the emotions that you fail with decluttering. So we've also talked about bringing them all together. So how are we going to organise them?

Ingrid  24:01  
I would really say think about where you use them and where you would look for it because that's the thing if they're all over the house, then it's really kind of go oh, I don't have any. So I'm going to buy a new one. So I placed them all together and they would probably in my house they would live together with stationery and envelopes and a box with kind of stationery supplies like staplers and things around a desk area or an area where you have all your stationery and my like my paper cutter is in there and my laminator it makes sense to have my notebooks in that kind of section. If you find a lot of new and unused ones that you have bought yourself and you kind of realise wow, I have too many. Maybe you can read gift some of them and put them in your gift cupboard to give away as presents to other people but of course only if they're unused. If you think you know what I like the notebooks fine, but I wouldn't really gift it, then it's perfect to donate it to a charity shop, because they will actually really love an unused notebook to sell in their shops. So there's different ways of, but for organising wise, I would say start putting them all in one place.

Lesley  25:17  
Definitely. And if you have got lots and lots and lots and you can't put them with your stationery supplies, put them on a shelf of a bookcase. And sit, you can see them really easily because that's quite often how many people have got like one shelves worth of at least you can grab the ones that you need. Have I told you what I love more than decluttering. Ingrid, what else it's not drinking wine. Well, that that possibly is but apart from that, it is using things up, I love using things up to the last little bit whether that's like a tiny bit of shampoo that you find little, you know, so that's why I love to line things up with smaller amounts at the front. So you can use those. So now it's going to be in reverse in a notebook. So what you're going to do is you're going to pull to the front of your notebooks or start to use first the ones that are almost full rather than almost empty.

Ingrid  26:06  
Are you with me? Yes, I am with you don't just throw

Lesley  26:09  
these things away and think how that can go into recycling, I can start a new one. If you've not got tonnes and tonnes start to use the old one start to put that to do list ignore what went before and start to use it but pull out the ones that are almost full, so you can use them. And then it will give you great satisfaction to say that no but was fully used up. I used it didn't go to waste. And then it can go into recycling. Most notebooks if they've got a cardboard outer can go into recycling, obviously, if they've not got a ring binder on them. So they can go into paper recycling for the most part coming grid,

Ingrid  26:42  
for sure, for sure. And it's really easy to get the ring binder out, you know, if you just pulled pull the front and the back off and then take off the pages. You know if it's just little scribbles that mean nothing to you know, if there's no addresses on there, or phone numbers, all those little notes of shopping to get and little to dues that you've written down to yourself as a reminder, they can all go into recycling books. And I fully agree with you, you know how we call it in Dutch opera American finish off something I am a great fan. I'm another thing we completely are agreed upon Lesley because my kids always know when there's a tiny bit left mommy, a for American finish this finish this thing if properly, you know, even you know when when the show was nearly finished, take the little thing off and finish that last bit of soap, I'm just trying not to be very wasteful, I think I think it's more of a money thing with being frugal.

Lesley  27:38  
There's something really, there's something really satisfying about using something up and seeing it to the end of its useful purpose. And I think that's really important. So don't just necessarily so you know, find a balance is what we're saying, you know, don't you don't have to use everything. And so some of these things can go potentially into recycling. But if you've not got that many, you know, think about using you know, that one's only got five pages left in it. So that's the one that I'm going to use for the next couple of days from my to do list. So have we exhausted notebooks, I feel like we were we were kind of a bit negative about the notebook. The notebooks really and telling people that we've got to get rid of all our notebooks people are gonna be I think notebook lovers are the same as book lovers, aren't they, they just, like don't touch my notebooks, you know, the professional organisers here, you are not allowed to step back from the notebooks, you know, that kind of thing. So, but we did get asked, this was a request, wasn't it to do a podcast about notebooks? And we were like, yes. Why have we not done a podcast about notebooks before? Because it's bags for life notebooks book, there's something that people really are very reluctant to get rid of. So I hope that it's been useful. I hope that we've given you a little bit of food for thought in terms of what is your relationship to notebooks? Is it unusual? Have you got too many? And is there anything that you can do to use them up to be gift them to recycle? Or to donate them? And are you ready to do that?

Ingrid  29:01  
Absolutely. Lesley, and you are absolutely right. This was a request from one of our members in a membership who said please do something about notebooks because it's so hard for me and I would like to hear your thoughts about it. So here you go. These are our thoughts about notebooks and listeners. We hope you've enjoyed listening to our notebook podcasts as well and are inspired to take action. Are you ready to let go of some of those notebooks? Or are you at least going to try and empty them out a little bit so you can use them all up? We would love to hear it. So leave us a review, or come and shared with us in our Facebook group, the declutter hub community, we would love to see you there and you can tell us how you're getting on with your notebooks. We appreciate you taking the time to listen today and if you've enjoyed the podcast, like I said, please leave a review and tell us what you think about his show. Come and join us on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook. And you can find us on there @declutterhub. We'd love to see you there and take a look at members.declutterhub.com to find out more about our membership. If you don't want to miss the next weekly episode, subscribe to the Contra health podcast on Apple podcasts for listening this week's podcast. Don't forget to tune in next week.
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Sabina says:

18 September 2022 at 2:30 PM

Loved episode 83 – notebooks. Another great episode from Lesley and Ingrid.

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1. Ingrid Jansen says:
  
  21 September 2022 at 3:51 PM
  
  Thank you Sabina for your feedback!
  
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Episode 83 – Do I have too many notebooks?

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Episode 321 – The secrets of organisation when you have ADHD with Ian Anderson Gray

Episode 320 – What is clutter blindness and how to fix it?

Episode 319 – Katie Mortram from Good Housekeeping chats all things clutter

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