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Episode 279 – Using numbers to declutter your home

Two questions that come up quite often in our world are how many of something do I need or home many of something should I declutter? The answer to that is not straightforward. In today’s podcast we’re going to talk about the pros and cons of using numbers in your decluttering journey.
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Two questions that come up quite often in our world are how many of something Do I need? Or how many of something should I declutter? The answer to that is not straightforward. In today's podcast, we're going to talk about the pros and cons of using numbers in your decluttering journey.

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You're listening to the declutter Apple podcast, bringing you tried and tested no nonsense tips and advice from the leading experts in decluttering and organizing your home. Now, here are your hosts, Ingrid Jansen, and Lesley Spellman.

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Hello, and welcome, listeners. I'm Ingrid. And I'm Lesley. If you're new to the declutter help podcast, you're so welcome. What you'll find is that we try and find a fun factor in the serious business of decluttering. And if you've been here for a while, you know exactly what we mean. So thank you so much for listening. If

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Well, Lesley, we are back with a brand new episode, and I'm excited to talk about today's podcast, how you can use numbers to declutter your home. Yes,

01:44
it's an interesting one, really, because while we've been preparing it, we're very conscious that we use numbers all the time, it does not pass us by that we do 10 Things podcast, and we talk about numbers with regularity, at least once a month, we do a 10 Things podcast, we have a very special challenge coming up in the next couple of weeks. So we're going to talk about probably after the break, which is all about numbers. So we do use numbers in our decluttering journey, because people like numbers, right? Because it is gamification. And many, many people thrive on gamification, right, Ingrid?

02:23
I mean, how nice it is. I mean, you know, when you do like, when you have your kind of, you know, like a pedometer on your phone, like a step counter. And then when you've done so many steps, it says, You've done your steps for today. It makes you feel good, doesn't it? So that number in that moment counts?

02:40
It does count, it absolutely does. So I think gamification is a big deal. It's one tool that we can use on a decluttering journey. But I think that's probably going to be the message of today is that it needs to sit alongside other strategies. So not that I want to give a spoiler, but that's basically going to be the crux of what we're going to say today. So it was interesting, because we were like, Let's talk about it in the context of what's coming up for us in the next couple of weeks. And, you know, the 10 things podcasts that we do, where do we find numbers used on a decluttering journey? And what do we think about that? So, of course, there are there is things like numerology that we need to talk about, which is something that you and I have got no clue about. And so we're not going to delve into it. But we wanted to talk about the fact that some people believe that the universe then is telling us, like what kind of numbers are going to work for us in our lives. And people live it live, eat and breathe, buy that kind of thing, right? And so numerology is one, but it's not something that we can really talk about, because we haven't got a clue about it. But when I did a quick Google search on using numbers in your using numbers to declutter your home, there was no shortage of things coming up with different types of gamified ideas and strategies about what you can do. We wanted to talk about a couple of those, you know, maybe talk about what we think would work, what we think won't work when numbers fits into our strategy in the declutter hub as well. And while we think there needs to be more than just the number, so the first one that we came across was obviously a big guy in the decluttering world, and particularly in the minimalist, minimalist world, is Joshua Becker, very well respected, and all of the decluttering industry. And one of his big ones is the 1212 12 rule. So basically, you have to find then 36 items, you throw 12 away, you donate 12, and you have to return 12 to their rightful home. That's my understand that I'm not like very familiar with it, but it came up on Google. So what do we think about that idea?

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You know, what if, if you decide to donate something, I'm always behind that right. I think that's fantastic that you identify items to donate For me items to throw away, there will always be things that unfortunately, have to be thrown away. Because they're all They're not working anymore. And finding new homes for items, I think is fantastic as well. But it kind of occurred to me when I saw this, I was like, Oh, that means that two thirds of things have got to go. That is indeed a very minimalist outlook, isn't it that you let go of a lot of stuff. And I thought, who some of our listeners might feel this is a bit too cold turkey for them the 1212 12 rule? Yeah.

05:36
You know, like, in principle, I can definitely see people latching on to that and using it as a strategy. But as you say, it's quite radical decluttering. You know, particularly if you're already minimalist or working towards that to find 36 things. I'm not quite sure about the timescale that surely that can't be in one day. Because that would seem like a lot to try and find 36 things in one day, unless you're actually devoting a full day to decluttering. I think it's quite prescriptive as well. I just wonder whether you would be trying to find something to built fulfill the gamification side of it, rather than making decisions for the right reasons. Does that make sense? Okay, I know that you can say before you start a that you want to find 12 things, or 36 things in this instance, what happens if you found more that you wanted to send to their rightful home or more to donate than to throw away? Or I just find, I just wonder whether the numbers mean that it's very prescriptive. That's, that's my initial thoughts. I've not done it. I've not spoken to anybody who's done it. So I don't know maybe some of our listeners have done it. And they can give us some insight into that. But for me as an initial like idea, and understanding the decluttering world, and how people's minds work when they want to set about decluttering. I just wonder whether it's just that little bit prescriptive for me?

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Or what if you can't find 36 things? Or when you've got like, no time that day? I'm already getting less or

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less. And it might not be that day might not be on a day, we didn't look at whether that's a day. I mean, presumably you can use that rule, however you want to. But I think that's the thing about the numbers is I just think it doesn't really allow for either fallen shorts fit a little bit and still feeling accomplished. Because if you don't get your 36 you're going to feel like you've failed. Yeah, gave me that game. If so that worries me a little bit. Yeah, there was another one that there was another one that came up as well, which is Mrs. Hinch. And so Mrs. Hench is a big UK influencer, and particularly in the cleaning world, but also kind of obviously spread yourself into decluttering and organizing, which runs alongside that. So Mrs. Hinch is very well regarded and comes up with different ideas and hacks and stuff like that. And so, but I think it's fair to say that most people in Mrs. Sanchez world are probably fairly organized already, as well, because obviously people who are really going down the route that she was, we're talking about very beautifully organized homes, typically with Mrs. Hinch, right. And so she's got an idea which you fill a jar, you fill a jar with numbers with one to 30 on them. And each day you pick a number, and you have to find that number of items to declutter that day. So if you know so you might, it might be one, it might be 30, it might be anything in between that seems like quite a lot. Because if you're doing that over a month, to me, who's to say that you've got time on the seventh of the month to do 29 items? Yeah, that's what worries me about that is where we sit behind and go if you're gonna do some decluttering. And think about it, you need to plan when you've got time, you need to break it down, you need to fit it around. So the things you might need to declutter while you're doing something else, like whatever, you know, just when you find something. So I would be nervous that that again, that you would it would be the failure side of it that I find, I would be nervous about, Well, I haven't got time today to do 20 line items or whatever. So therefore, I've got to then piggyback it onto tomorrow and then tomorrow, I might get 22. And then I've got one that I've got to me

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never get a loan number right the day after you would always get another high one.

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So I would be nervous about that side of it. Particularly if you're somebody that has struggled in the past. To find the time to declutter and it's not been your primary focus. Some of the people in Mrs. Inches world might be right on it and love decluttering love organizing, love cleaning. And we spoke about this kind of thing that when different people you know, different things make people different people tick and far from us to say that this is not going to work, but I'm just saying as somebody who understands the people in our world, I do worry whether you would feel as if you had fallen short by trying to adhere to a numbers game. Yeah,

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I think there's a twist on that kind of same idea as well as that you do. People say, Okay, I'm going to do a month of decluttering. And on day one, I'm going to do one item. On day two, I'm going to do two and day three, I'm going to do three, and you kind of build enough. So I think, in principle, that sounds like okay, at least, on day two, I can't get like 27, which you can kind of get into the whole decluttering mode. So at first principle that kind of looks like okay, that's not too bad. But I think what happens sometimes is people get so bogged down with the numbers, that all of a sudden you get these these CDs, things come up saying, but I found a box of paper clips, is that then one item? Or can I use the paper clips all as individual items, right? So then it gets again, it gets all about the numbers and not about the stuff in the items. So again, you know, if you are somebody who regularly declutter things, oh, things have gotten a bit out of out of whack here and there, this could be a great thing to do. But if you've got a lot of clutter everywhere this might be, you have to find the six things, you put the pressure on yourself.

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I think the thing is, as well and good. And then when you look at the you know, so what you'll see, and especially those ones that build up, and particularly the ones that are like a year of decluttering, as well, I mean, I don't even know what the numbers are, I couldn't even as you and I know, we are like the world's worst at maths. And so we wouldn't even like to hazard a guess. But if you go one, day one on one on day one and two on day two, and then you get to day three and 65. That's a lot that's 1000s of items, right going out of your house. And I can see that people would cling on to that and go, that's an easy thing for me to do. You know, because it's very kind of like one thing, two things, they can understand the principle of building things up and building up that decluttering muscle, which we're big advocates as well. And I can understand how you homed in on the final number of 1000s of items having left your home and think I need to declutter 1000s of items my home. So that's a good idea. So I can completely see why people buy into it. But I'm nervous about the execution, the kind of fail feeling as if you failed elements. But more than anything else in grid, I'm worried about the fact that it's focusing very much on the stuff that items are not the reason or the emotional connection to that stuff. So it's kind of it's not what we believe is going to give you long term sustainable mindset change. It's just going to be I found a paper clip. I know I have too many paper clips, I am going to donate the paperclip without thinking about why did I keep paper clips? And have I thought about the way that my life has evolved? And actually that I'm completely online now and I don't need those. I mean, paper clips is like a stupid example. So we're all about thinking about why so what is it that's led you to keep that I mean, obviously, you just keep 1000 paper clips to it, because that's just what you do. Right? But so it's a very, very bad example in which

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I'm just worried about if people do it like for a whole year when it when did they go on holiday? Oh, I don't think I could do it every day for three of the three to five days wondering you, when you go on all day away. You just don't want to have a day off and just not come on to something.

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I think the thing is, as well it, you know, let's take a step back from here and go. Anything that is encouraging people to declutter things from their home, and give them a clutter free organized life is good in my eyes, okay. So if it works for you go for it. We're not saying don't ever use it. But we're saying think about what that represents. It's a game to do that. It's focusing very much on the stuff. It's focusing again on arbitrary numbers that are prescribed by other people, and timescales that are prescribed by other people. And you need to feel in control of your journey. And so I think you really got to think that through there was another one that I wanted to talk about Ingrid, that popped up when I was looking on the internet, which was called, which was called the magic number. Something magic number decluttering or something like that. And essentially you decide, and a number of items you're allowed to keep before you declutter. And that's the number that you keep. While we think about that.

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I think that's how do you know in advance what you want to keep and what the right number is? I think that's where I break my if you see my brain, I'm like something just I'm confused. How do you do something?

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You know what I think I think that that, I want to talk about what we do sometimes with clients which is different the way that we do things in the online world. So obviously in an online world Old, it's very different because numbers aren't gonna work. So if you see something that says 10 things to declutter your house or declutter 365 things this year, or you're gonna hone in on that, as a kind of quick soundbite sort of hook in, you start the online world will take you down that route, because you can cling on to the numbers. When we're working in a house with with a client, I wouldn't, you know, first and foremost, we would go down the route of what is it? So I'll give an example of socks, right? So a client who had tons and tons of black socks, and, you know, that's evolved over time, because she ran out of socks for our kids, and blah, blah, blah, blah. So there's like, hundreds and hundreds of sucks in the house. And so we did get to a stage where we had looked at all those things, we gathered them all together. And then what we needed to do was almost do like a confrontational. This is your socks, right? So we gathered all of the socks for the whole of the household together in one place, and honestly, it was like a sock mountain. So then go, does that age, does that look sensible to you? Because it's the kind of nylon ridiculous she knows. It's ridiculous. I know. It's ridiculous, I understand completely how its evolved, and why it's come to that point. But then let's take a step back and go, right, if we're talking about socks here, where are we going to get to that we feel is a sensible number, that's not going to make you go into a panic, that's going to give you what you need, that's going to fulfill your laundry requirements and the throughput of your laundry, that's going to give you alternatives for different types of socks for Jim, for walking firm, summer for winter, from skiing, for whatever that is. Because it's not it's not as simple as let me keep 10 pairs of socks, it's not different socks with different things. And you've got to evaluate all those things. But I think it takes a while to get to that point. So for me that kind of strategy of a confrontation of the volume of things which I use sometimes with clients, when we're when we're struggling, you know, so when we're really struggling to make headway, trap, rather than trying to evaluate in a sort of standard way, we might go for what I would call a numbers game at that point, which is like, right, let's think long and hard about what this number needs to be. And lets them work towards that. And so I do think that it works. But I think it comes further down the line. And when I'm working with a client, once one in their home, I've already done all of the other strategies, all of the other emotional strategies and thinking about things in a very structured, calm measured way, trying to understand what an emotional responses, and then if we're still struggling, then it might get to then a numbers game. Yeah.

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So maybe the problem with this one, the magic number, is that you have to think before you declutter what number you want to keep the fact that you decide on a certain number at some point, that's not the problem. But you haven't even gone through your house, you haven't gone through your stuff, you haven't looked at your own situation. I mean, if you for example, look at at linen and towels and bedding, a family of five or six will have many more than one is just to to have your when you're by yourself, right? So then you can kind of think about it, you know, but you figure that out? And yes, indeed, put laundry big on that is are you somebody who is on top of that? And you could do it a couple of towels per person because you got the throughput sorted? Or do you all do forts and you're at the gym and you go swimming, and you just need a lot more towels and those things, I think the situation, your family, your lifestyle, all need to be taken into consideration when you decide what is a good number here. And some people might say, You know what, I need a bedding. I want a set on the bed and a set in the cupboard. We get the scraps all the time, don't we? Lesley? How many do they set? So bedding sets? Do we need to keep it hidden? Like it depends, I mean, I've worked in hotels, and we had seven or eight sets because things will be going to the laundry and back and on the bed that in a cupboard and on the trolley. But for me, I don't need seven sets at home. But maybe you're somebody who loves to have a Christmas do way set and who likes to have a thinner set for the summer. So you want to have to for that and you want to have you know what? It just depends. Some people are really warm sleepers and some people are cooler sleepers, you need to have I have three sets, I think three or four sets per bed, which is plenty and my guest bed. I think I've got one, maybe two, because I don't have guests going through here like revolving doors. But enough to have one or maybe two sets. I can't even remember now. But that's for me. That's enough. But if you're somebody who's hosting all the time, who's got family and friends visiting on a very regular basis, you might not be able to cope with one set. Exactly.

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So I think the point is that we're trying to make is that there's no number that's right For every single person, so you can't come up with a number that is going to work for you in grid for me, because I've got, I've got two sets of my spare bed because I go, Oh, actually, I might have somebody standing on a Friday night if it's the kids and somebody is different staying on Saturday night. So I've got to have that throughput, because I'm not going to have it washed out. And in 24 hours, you're like, someone's going to come to me for a week from Holland a couple of times a year. And I know that I've got enough time to get the stuff back on the bed before they come. And so we make decisions based on our lifestyle and our wants, you know, we we, in our challenge, recently, we did our counting confess, which so we use normal, the numbers game within our challenges, as alongside alongside other things very important alongside other things, right. And so mugs, you know, if we think about it, there's two people in a house, you know, you have in three cups of tea, and you're not washing your cups in between, you know, realistically, 678 mugs should be enough, it's gonna give you enough for a couple of people to come over for a cup of tea. But do people keep paying mugs? No, absolutely not. Because you've got all the sentimental ones, and you've got the different ones. They got the travel mugs got theirs. And it's about what feels right to you at the time. And so using numbers is tricky, which is why all we do with our numbers in our challenge where we do count and confess, we're not saying there's a right or wrong number, we're saying know your numbers, that's all we want you to do is to know your numbers. So we're going through that kind of self confrontation kind of it sounds a little bit. Kind of harsh, doesn't it? But we want people to understand how many of something they've got. And whether they then having looked at that feel that's a little bit kind of why have I got 80 pairs of shoes? That seems a bit ridiculous? Well, I'm just wearing two pairs, and I just always wear the same ones. Now what is it about that and can't do I feel ready to let some go. Some people got two and a 50 pairs of shoes and a wearing them the throughput is that that's absolutely fine. Some people are like, can't be bothered with shoes. I've got four pairs. And I'm happy with that, you know, so there's no right or wrong number for anybody, but it involves evaluation. And that's where numbers can be used as a very useful tool.

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Well, well said, Lesley, why don't we take a break? And we'll come back and talk some more. Hi, everyone. Welcome back to this podcast where we talk about how you can use numbers to declutter your home. And yeah, we've had quite an interesting conversation about this already, haven't we, Lesley?

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Yeah, I hope the message that's come across is that we feel that using numbers in your decluttering journey can be really useful. But it has to sit alongside other deeper thought processes. Basically, we use it all the time, don't we? Ingrid? We use numbers in our membership. We do challenges we do numbers challenges, we do a two side challenges. We do 10 Things Podcast coming up. We've got a for today's 40 items challenge that we're going to talk about. But basically, we really believe you've got to do all the things alongside that, you know, just doing a numbers game is not enough, because you're not going deep, deeply enough to create long term sustainable mindset change, which is what we're all about. You have to be able to evaluate the emotion that sits behind the stuff and not just oh, there's one thing I can get rid of. Off it goes. So yeah, let's talk about our 10 Things podcast and why we think that we cover both angles within that Ingrid.

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I think the 10 thing is podcast is for us a way to give food for thought to our listeners. Yes, we talk about you know, 10 things you can declutter from your bathroom or your kitchen. And, of course, it's fun to read. And people you know, people get back to us all the time. i Oh, I had this in my kitchen. And I've decluttered it now Yes, I found that in the cupboard. I completely forgot I had it. So in kitchen, again in the amount of gamification to it. But for us, we would love to make sure that you think about why is this still lingering in my cupboards? Why have I kept it? Why is it so hard to declutter? Why I feel do I feel so guilty about it? Or, Oh, why am I keeping this just in case? So we always have 10 things, not try to go for? These are 10 Things You Should declutter for your house immediately. But more about how to think about this. This is something that's lingering about and why is it still there? Yeah. And

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we tried to we tried to choose like left field things sometimes as well that people have not thought about and more often than not with our 10 Things podcast where we're often talking about the barriers that sit alongside that and why that kind of strange, weird and wonderful thing is still sitting on our home when actually when we look at it we go that's a little bit crazy. So yeah, so I 10 Things podcast is absolutely a 10 things. But it's more that we would like you to think about those 10 things because there will undoubtedly be things within our 10 Things podcasts. And there are every week that people are still got in fact that Ingrid and I have still got as well. You know, we do a tally up more recently in our podcast to see how many of the 10 things we've got. And so this is is not that you have to get rid of this is 10 things that we need you to think about. And that's what that's all about. And we're going to do the same thing with our challenge that's coming up. I think next week, right and grid, starting in February, to coincide with Lent, we're going to do a 40 days. 40 items challenge. How's that gonna look, Ingrid?

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Yes, we are super excited. Because we have done this. I mean, a long time ago, haven't we left the I think it was actually the year of lockdown. Yeah, we did this challenge in our Facebook group. And then of course, lockdown began and everybody went, we kind of went, can we actually talk about the 40 days, 40 items challenge. People have other bigger things to worry about. But the message at the time was, but we love this challenge. And we've decided to bring it back to the Facebook group. So basically, between the 14th of February and Easter, we're going to declutter one item per day, 40 days, 40 items. And for the eagle eyed among you, you're going to get Sunday off because otherwise you're going to have more days. So you have Sunday off just to kind of clarify that. If you're thinking that's more than 40 days, it is

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in grids. Honestly, every year, we have the same conversation about the 40 days. Ingrid, who was brought up Catholic, by the way, has not got a handle on Lent, and what that is and what that represents. And so every year she's like, but it's not voiced. There's not 40 days of us doesn't lie. Lendy when does it finish? I'm like it finishes the day before Easter ring. You should know this thing. Anyway, let's not make it on my soapbox about Ingrid's inability to remember the way that she was brought up back in the does a good Catholic girl. Anyway, so yeah, for today, it's 40 items challenge. And I think that the net The nice thing about it in lockdown, and this is a case approves the case in point, it was a simple way to kind of avoid everything else that was going on. Because we did it obviously March 20, which was right when it was all kicking off. A simple thing to just go one thing a day, let's try and find something. But what we'd really like to do so what we're going to do within the for today's 40 items challenge, Ingrid and I are going to put a video into the Facebook group every day of what we are decluttering and why the most important thing is little why. Okay, so it's not just here's something that we're getting rid of. It is why to give you a some ideas about things that you might want to get rid of yourselves, and why and what are the barriers? And what's the emotional response that you've got to that item that has meant that you've kept it. And so yeah, we're excited to do that. And of course, everybody else is going to come up with some fantastic ideas as well. So it's not just going to be yours, but you will see a video coming into the Facebook group every single day apart from Sunday, Ingrid?

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Yes. And the thing is, Lesley, we know. And I think this is the main message. We know that decluttering is not about the stuff. It's about the emotions that sit behind the item. And the 40 days, 40 items. I mean, it just you know, it rolls off the tongue really nicely. It coincides with lens. But you know, maybe one day you will have an item that actually it's easier for you. If you look at our video, you think Oh yeah, I've got that too. That's easy for me. And maybe other days, you're like who, oh, that item I could never declutter, and that's fine. Maybe you've got something else in your home that you want to declutter for the day. So although it is a call the 40 days, 40 items challenge is not necessarily about the numbers. And I want to add to that as well. What we see sometimes happening is people don't actually, when I sold that one item, I found another two or three in the same category that I don't need either. So I'm also decluttering those. So you might find a couple of more items per day, but you don't have to.

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And what we would like you to do if you do find other things is not to be governed by an arbitrary number one item a day. If you find three things on one day that you want to declutter, let them go all on the same day, don't hold them off, but the next day and the next day to me. So then you will have done more than for today's 40 items challenge. You might have been 100 items in that time. So it's all about the gamification and trying to get you encouraged to look at things to look at the emotions and to find things in your home that are no longer serving you do we think this is an ideal way to declutter your home in its entirety? No. Is it a bit of fun for 40 days? Absolutely. And so we really, really hope that you'll get involved. So what are the details in well, it's going to take place in the Facebook group, right? It's going to start on the said the 14th of February. Okay, last little, you know, sign of love for Valentine's Day. Yeah, we're gonna do something love related Don't die. No,

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we're gonna we're gonna ignite everybody's love for decluttering Oh, yes.

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Yeah, exactly. That's it? Well, we definitely, I'll definitely have to do something love related on day one. Yeah, I'll think about that. Maybe Steve's on the firing line. That was before today's 40. I took this challenge off with a bang, what do

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we call that that? You called the clutter wanting to live there long enough, you need to go

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buy tickets. And Steve, I would have like 1000s of items that went along with it. And that would be the best way to declutter my house. But anyway, that's by the by. So that's coming up. We're very excited. So in conclusion, Ingrid, we do think that numbers are a very useful tool when it comes to decluttering. But definitely, that sit alongside the real evaluation and structure that you need.

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Yes, definitely. So tell us lovely listeners. Have you used numbers in your decluttering before? And have they actually helped or hindered you? Please tell us in the US on our YouTube channel in the comments, or send us an email on support at declutter auto calm? I mean, we, we love it when you get in touch with us. So definitely let us know. And Lesley, before we go, I thought it would be really nice to share a lovely review that we recently got. Yes. It was actually talking about YouTube, somebody left this interview on our YouTube channel in the comments. And it's haitch m y 8799. I don't know who that is. But thank you for for sending this through. Okay, let's

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grab a cold, homie. What do you reckon? Hmm. Why is probably like, Helen something, Yates or something else? Probably. She wants to be anonymous. And so I tried to think of what I know. I know via she who knows, right?

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Is someone from the South America because they've said the Oh, yeah, exactly.

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Ah, I love that. Thank you so much. That's so nice to share that. That's everything that we aim for a little bit of fun, a little bit of health, a little bit of wellness, self improvement, but a big focus on the emotional side of decluttering. So thank you so much for taking the time to share that. It really does. Give us a little boost every time one of these pops into our notifications or emails. Thank you so much.

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I know it's very much appreciated. So if you think I want to let Ingrid allegedly know how I feel about the podcast sleeve for sure.

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