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Episode 194 – Keeping things for best

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Do you have a cupboard of things in your home that you keep for best? In this podcast, we delve into why this isn’t always a great idea.
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[00:00:00] Ingrid: Do you have a cupboard of things in your home that you keep for best? Today we are going to delve into why this isn't always such a great idea.

[00:00:11] Lesley, we find cupboards and cupboards full of stuff that have been kept for best. 

[00:00:17] Lesley: No. Well, before we get started, have you got anything in your house that you keep for best? Let's come clean.

[00:00:27] ING was gone all quiet while she's thinking. 'cause this was not on the script.

[00:00:34] Ingrid: Actually, I don't think so, Lesley honestly. 

[00:00:37] Lesley: There's, I do, I do. I have, do you know what I have that I keep for best? I have a Cutler set that I have in like a box that I only bring out on like Christmas or Easter or whatever, or when people come around for dinner because I don't want it to get mixed up.

[00:00:52] It's quite a nice Cutler set. So I do keep that for best. But then having said that, I do use it whenever anybody comes round and it's kind of completely containerized and I don't need it otherwise. So I do have that for best, but other than that, 

[00:01:06] Ingrid: There's nothing, I mean, there might be like some serving trays or something that I would only get take out when I've got, like when I'm hosting something, but I still use them.

[00:01:15] I don't keep them in my cupboards looking at them thinking, oh yeah, those are too nice to use. I'm like, I use everything. You hit 

[00:01:25] Lesley: the nail on the head there, Ingrid, which is, which is what people think, what a lot of people think, which is, is too nice to use. There's a fear, isn't there, that people, I. That something is special because of the way that it's been given.

[00:01:38] So quite often these things will be things that were inherited. Quite often they will be things that were given as wedding gifts or special gifts on special occasions, for example. Um, and so we just have this kind of barrier that sits there and we feel that because they were given a very special time, that we shouldn't run the risk of breaking them, which is ultimately what it's all about, isn't it?

[00:02:03] People are scared of losing things that they perceive to be special. 

[00:02:09] Ingrid: Uh, I, we're definitely going to talk more about that, Lesley, but I, I'm suddenly thinking, does everybody do this? I mean, I hear this a lot with older people when I'm decluttering with them that are an older generation, maybe even, you know, from the war.

[00:02:24] And it was saving this, they had to be super careful with, with what they used and, and make do and mend. And you were very, very careful of the. A couple of nice things that you had. So I see that a lot. Like when there's like, oh, there's a sideboard in your living room. What's in it? Oh, that's my nice stuff.

[00:02:42] That's my stuff that I keep for best and I'm Do, do, do younger generations do that as well? Or is it something that we really see in the older generations? 

[00:02:51] Lesley: I mean, I can only speak about my own. Experiences and, and I, I do have a couple of kids that have flown the Nest. Well, one actually, I mean, Ellie's kind of there by default, I think, but so color is, she's not actually mine.

[00:03:04] She's just my son's girlfriend. But they've got their own, like she seems suddenly there appears to be part of the family. Um, and so I think it's kind of, I can't imagine that they would ever buy anything. For best. Mm-hmm. But they've not got to a stage where they're given things for best 'cause they've not got married.

[00:03:22] But even for wedding gifts, I can't imagine what we used to do, which is to ba to, I mean, to be fair, I'm thinking about it now. This is almost like we, we, this is evolving as we're speaking as an Ingrid. Mm-hmm. Do I? Did I ever, did I get things for my wedding that I've never used? No. I used everything. But then you are disappointed.

[00:03:42] To be fair, I am disappointed now that I've only got one of my original beautiful cut glass crystal wine glasses that I got off my wedding, but I got married 29 years ago. So, you know what I mean? So I think that's fine, isn't it? 'cause that's 29 years of use of something which I've enjoyed. Mm-hmm. Yes.

[00:03:59] It would be nice to have them today. Of course, it wouldn't say, well, those are my wedding things, but what are the chances of crystal glasses in this house when there's copious amounts of wine being consumed on a weekly basis? But those glasses would still be there 29 years later. It's a bit of a long shot, isn't it?

[00:04:17] Ingrid: I love your honesty, Lesley Weekly wine. No chance that glasses will survive. But I think it is, I think I find it absolutely fascinating that people save stuff in their cupboards for best, because it makes me think. But when is the best? I mean in my head, if you're not living your life now, I mean we could be run over by a bus tomorrow.

[00:04:47] You know this stuff.

[00:04:54] So let's delve a little 

[00:04:55] Lesley: bit deeper. Let's talk about some categories of things Yeah. That, that we see that people typically keep for best. Yeah. Let's use that term for best. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so we've already started to talk about it, but really the big one, the big one that we see is things like dinner services, serving bowls, wine glasses.

[00:05:15] Things that you've been given for your wedding. Yeah. Or engagement or any other big event. 

[00:05:21] Ingrid: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And I mean I've, I've seen it with my client. It was just several years ago and I saw all these chipped glasses and chipped mugs in her kitchen cupboards, and then I opened another cupboard and there were like these gorgeous glasses, some of them still in the boxes and in the, with the paper to protect them.

[00:05:40] And I'm like, what are those? Oh, those are my na nice glasses. And I'm like, well, but the other ones are all chipped. Yeah, but I don't, but I'm like, Why not? Don't you just deserve, if you have a glass of wine after a busy week to drink it from a nice crystal glass, but those are for best. And I'm like, what That, that's such a shame.

[00:06:01] And it really made her think. 

[00:06:03] Lesley: I definitely think that you deserve to treat yourself and be the best person. You know what I mean? So I think that's part of it. I think we believe that other people are more worthy of something than we are, and so there's a bit of that. I, I absolutely do think it's a generational thing.

[00:06:18] I do. Do you know what I mean? And. So I think that, I mean, I'm just thinking now, again, this is kind of, but I do have nice wine glasses that I kind of tell the kids when their friends come around that they can't really use. But just because I know that they're going to smash them. So that's not because I want to keep 'em for best.

[00:06:37] 'cause I do use them myself, but I'm like, kids, don't use them. Wine glasses, use the ones for my kid for two 50, please. Not the ones I paid 10 for, or whatever. So I'm not keeping them for best, but I am kind of saying, They're off limits for you and your 30 mates coming round. Do you know what I mean? So maybe that is part of the same thing, but in general, I would absolutely consider myself to be worthy of one of the nicest wine glasses that I have in my house.

[00:07:01] 'cause that's what life's all about, isn't it? You should treat yourself in the same way that you treat other 

[00:07:05] Ingrid: people. Well and I think as well, you know, if you, you know, if you are, have got nice things in your house, To enjoy them instead of kind of tucking in the way in cupboards never for them to see the light.

[00:07:17] They, I mean, the perfect example is also for my wedding. I asked for a dinner service and it was really nice. We chose it very carefully. We chose something that we thought we'd like for a long time, so we didn't go for a very, uh, distinctive pattern because we thought, you know, that we might not like that anymore long term.

[00:07:34] And the first thing my mom said, oh, that's going to be really nice for Easter and Christmas, and I went, Why would I do that? And she said, because it's really nice and it's, you know, Wedgewood and it's, it's very expensive. And I went, but what would be the point then? I never can use it. And then at Christmas, I'm at your house, so I'm still not going to be, I'm going to use it every day.

[00:07:57] So, yeah, exactly. So I've used it every day and yes, now after about 17 years, I'm thinking, hmm, some of them are looking a bit like worse for wear, and I should probably see if I, and I've replaced a couple, um, through, um, a, a, a website that I found I was able to find a couple of replacements because I have broken a few, but.

[00:08:18] It's like I am enjoying eating from the dinner service with my nice cutlery set every day. 

[00:08:24] Lesley: I feel like you've just aged me, Ingrid, because I've just come clean and said that I've been married for 29 years and you've just come clean and said you've been married for 17 years. I just feel that makes me feel a lot older than you, than I actually 

[00:08:39] Ingrid: am.

[00:08:39] No, I think I was much older when I got married. Lesley, you you were much younger when you got married. I know. But I'm like, 

[00:08:45] Lesley: really? How have I been married for 29 years? I mean, it's a big thing. I mean, it's, I'm delighted to have been married for 29 years. It's privilege. But it 

[00:08:52] Ingrid: does age you, doesn't it? It does 

[00:08:54] Lesley: age you.

[00:08:55] But anyway, that is an aside. But yeah, I think one of the other really important things where you talk about dinner services, Is a lot of these things are inherited. So dinner service are a classic thing that get passed down through generations because dinner services in general, particularly the ones from sort of years ago, are very special things, very expensive things.

[00:09:14] People paid a lot of money for them. There was 72 or 90 pieces. There was. Coffees and sugar and milk jugs and serving bowls and all these things. They're beautiful, beautiful things quite often. Mm-hmm. And so we do think, oh, they're old, and so we really need to preserve them and keep them in our original state so we couldn't use them.

[00:09:32] One of the big things that we teach in our membership is use these things, bring them into. The everyday use so that you can enjoy them. These things are sentimental and how can you get that warm, fuzzy feeling inside if you are not seeing them? If they're locked away in a cupboard behind closed doors, you're never going to get that sentimental feeling that was intended when it was passed down.

[00:09:55] And so it's really, really important to bring these into general use, ditch the detritus as they say. And start to bring the nice things into general use. And if, if the fallout from that is that you lose the odd one along the way, then so be it. You have spent the time and enjoyed them for the bulk of the time.

[00:10:13] And yes, one might go bottom line is things are much more simple these days. We can replace them. There are places that will, will allow us to replace the odd broken thing. And that's quite easy to do these days because of the, you know, the rise of the internet. The rise, the, you know, it's kind of risen already.

[00:10:29] Um, but you know what I mean, where it, it is easier to do than it was 30, 40 years ago. Yeah. And so bring that stuff out into general use. It's so, so important, isn't it, Ingrid? 

[00:10:38] Ingrid: Yeah. Yeah. Definitely Use what you have, you know. Love it. Enjoy it. Get that, that wonderful feeling of, of using something. Now, Lesley, besides dinner services and things like that, let's talk a little bit about.

[00:10:53] Well, your favorite topic apparently, because you drink wine every week, but let's talk about bottles of wine and champagne and things like that. 

[00:11:00] Lesley: Yes, because wine and champagne, of course, as soon as you see that moa, that Bollinger, it's expensive. It's cost a lot of money. It's been given at a very special time, and you feel that you should drink that.

[00:11:13] You can't just put it in with the normal bottles of Prosecco for three pound can. You got to keep it for a special occasion. And when does that special occasion ever come? And so the amount of champagne that's cost. Copious amounts of money over the years that we've had to pour down the sink with clients is heartbreaking, isn't it?

[00:11:33] Ingrid? 

[00:11:34] Ingrid: I'm going to come clean. Lesley. It happened to me two weeks ago. A lovely bottle of wine that I've been saving because a very special person gave it to me and she's no longer with us. And I'd been keeping it. And recently I thought, oh, you know, I, I, I'm going to put that in the fridge. And I chilled it and I opened it and it was vinegar.

[00:11:56] And I was distraught because I, I had kept it too long and I think because my husband drinks right red wine, which he can keep from much, much longer than a white wine, it kind of got off my radar and we, you know, when I drink a bottle of wine, it's like, oh, just take, you know, a, a cheaper bottle. And I thought, oh, let me treat myself.

[00:12:14] And I had left it. Now I wasted it. I could, I was like really cross with myself because, not because, you know, but because it was a special gift from a very special person. So I wanted to do the right thing by not just kind of thinking, oh yeah, I'll just randomly open it, but now I lost it. And it's like, Well, what's the point of that then?

[00:12:35] So I was really upset with 

[00:12:36] Lesley: myself actually. I know, but it, but it happens all too often now. There's a lot of alcohol at will keep, of course, you know, red wine keep a little bit longer, but a lot of these wines now that are bottled, they're not, they're not bottled to last, are they? There are some that are, but you, you're talking a lot of money and typically if somebody does give you, or you acquire a bottle of wine that is designed to be opened in 10 years, Then you'll know about that at the time that you acquire it.

[00:13:02] But champagne, even though it might cost 30, 40, 50, even a hundred pounds, that's not designed to last 10 years until you get around to opening it. Yeah, you need to drink it. Yeah. And so please look at the champagne. Find a special occasion. That special occasion might be just, you know what? I need to treat myself tonight.

[00:13:20] Let me open that bottle of champagne that's been sitting there for a while, and it seems quite decadent, but it's better to do that than to pour it down the sink like we did last week and then feel dis disappointed with yourself. 

[00:13:31] Ingrid: Yep. Yeah, but Lesley, what's done is done. No point in dwelling about it. So let's take a break so we can all calm down a bit again, and then after the break we'll come back and we've got some other lovely suggestions.

[00:13:46] So see you after the break.

[00:13:47] 

[00:13:47] Hi everyone. Welcome back to our Keeping Things for Best Podcast. And we talked about some very interesting objects and things already before the break, but we've got some other suggestions as well, don't we, Lesley? Yeah. We've got to move away 

[00:14:02] Lesley: from the wine.

[00:14:04] Yes. To move away from the wine. Okay. Now we're going to move away from the wine and we're going to talk about things that you find upstairs in your home. How many. Wine upstairs in your home as well, but typically not. So towels and bedding, we want to talk about something else that people keep 

[00:14:18] Ingrid: for best. Yes, all the time.

[00:14:21] That is for my visitors. I've, I open a linen cupboard. It is absolutely full to the brimm and then you start to kind of categorize it and organising a little bit, and then you find these beautiful packages still in the plastic still even something with the tags on. You kind of think the plastic even has gotten a bit brown.

[00:14:43] You think. How long has this been here in this cupboard? How long has this been here in this cupboard? Oh, well that's my bedding for best. That is for when I've got visitors come and I'm like, can your visitors not use in like a nice set that is cleaning in your cupboard? What, what is this? Oh no, that's my bedding.

[00:15:01] It's like nearly thread bear falling apart. But there's a beautiful set of towels with like one of those, um, kind of, uh, how do you call, like a piece of rope still around them with a tag on, with a nice, fluffy thing. And it's like, wow, maybe you need an upgrade of your own stuff and not keep stuff for best.

[00:15:21] I mean, what has, what has the last couple of years to, uh, taught us, Lesley, we didn't have any visitors, so all this stuff get for best. 

[00:15:31] Lesley: I think it's really important to think about the principle, and we do this quite a lot with clients. You know, there's a lot of people who keep rooms, keep stuff for visitors, and what they do is they create a home for the two days a year that you might have a visitor and ignore the other 363 days a year.

[00:15:49] That's all about you. So if you, you know, there are people, of course, I. Who, I mean, Ingrid, the last couple of years changed, but ordinarily Ingrid would have many more visitors in her home than she has the last couple of years. And so Ingrid's still got a spare bedroom and all that kind of stuff, although she's firmly camped in it at the moment, um, working.

[00:16:07] So I don't quite know. I. What she's going to do when the visitors come back because they're 

[00:16:12] Ingrid: not going to be able to have any lie in work. 

[00:16:14] Lesley: You're going to be there podcasting at nine o'clock in the morning, but anyway, but you know quite often people who say, I really need a spare bedroom. Really need a spare bedroom.

[00:16:23] Really think about whether or not. How often is that happening, or should you be utilizing that space, that cupboard, that bedding, whatever that is for yourself and not for the occasional guests? Really, really important to think about that. So, but yeah, towels and bedding definitely fall into that camp.

[00:16:40] You know, do yourself a favor with this stuff that's been hanging around in your cupboards for years. Open it up, put it in the wash, put it on the bed, and get rid of the. Red bear stuff. Treat yourself. That's what this is all about. It's about putting yourself first and not other people. That's why we keep things for best.

[00:16:54] We're always putting other people first, or occasions first before everyday life. And it's so important to do that, isn't it, Ingrid? Yeah. We need to 

[00:17:01] Ingrid: grab our moments, Lesley, to enjoy, you know, those nice new fluffy pillows, that lovely new duvet set and get that feeling of, you know, Uh, life is hard enough.

[00:17:13] You know, we need to be kind to ourselves and, and, and, and all the stuff that we have been either given or that we've worked so hard for to, to use it up. I, I really firmly believe in that. And, and it, it, it creates for interesting conversations. That's for sure. 

[00:17:30] Lesley: It definitely does. So I think we also wanted to talk about something else that people typically keep for best, which then becomes detrimental because it doesn't get used because it doesn't get seen, which is jewelry.

[00:17:43] Okay, so there are, there's jewelry and jewelry, yes. There's. Costume jewelry stuff that you just grab from wherever that you buy. It might be just a special, you might love it just the same, but then there will be jewelry that you have inherited, that you have bought a special time in your life that's more expensive.

[00:17:59] And typically what people do is they kind of separate out the expensive stuff. From the cheap stuff, let's call it for argument's sake. And so we are firm believers, apart from if it's worth like, you know, a million pounds or 

[00:18:12] Ingrid: something, perhaps it needs to be somewhere different and you're 

[00:18:15] Lesley: going to just chuck it in with your 2 99 bracelet from next.

[00:18:19] But you know, so you've got to be sensible with this. But in general, if you've got something that's a little bit more expensive or a little bit more special, put it in with the other stuff. So you see it and you start using it. Really, really important. Why are you 

[00:18:31] Ingrid: laughing? I'm laughing so hard. I can see you kind of going with your Tiffany necklace.

[00:18:35] That's like worth 10 grand to your local test on a Tuesday morning. But I mean, I understand what your point is. I haven't 

[00:18:45] Lesley: got a Tiffany necklace. 

[00:18:46] Ingrid: Me neither. But if you want to buy me one, honestly, I'd, I'd love to go 

[00:18:53] Lesley: to Tesco's on a Tuesday morning in a Tiffany 10 grand necklace. I think that would be amazing.

[00:19:00] Ingrid: But I think it's, but I mean, I completely agree with your point. I think we sometimes think, oh, it's gold or it's silver, or it's got, you know, something and we just not, we can't wear it. But then, Again, you know, the last couple of years we haven't been anywhere, we haven't gone anywhere. We'd have nothing special going on and all this stuff.

[00:19:17] It's like, you know, you just don't want to hang around in your, in your, your lounge wear, sitting on the sofa. You can still dress up nicely and wear something nicely, you know, as earrings or a bracelet or, or a necklace. Even though you might just be pottering around your house. It doesn't always have to be kept for when you go out.

[00:19:36] Lesley: So pajamas on Tiffany necklace, on 

[00:19:40] Ingrid: Netflix. 

[00:19:43] Lesley: That's what we need to do. Um, right. Okay. Now we're going to get onto something that's a real bug bear of mine. It's not necessarily keeping it for best, but it's keeping it for a special occasion, which is typically breaks and holidays. What am I talking about, Ingrid?

[00:20:00] Ingrid: You are talking about toiletries and I think in specifically about. Hotel toiletries. 

[00:20:07] Lesley: Yes. Number one, please try not to take the toiletries from hotels unless you absolutely need to. Unless it's really, really good stuff, is it? If you are going to five star hotels and it's the good stuff, then it's allowed.

[00:20:18] But if it's just something that's kind of not as good as what you've got at home, even in five star hotels, sometimes what you've got at home is better than what you get in a hotel. So really be honest with yourself about whether you're just kind of taking things just because you perceive it to be free.

[00:20:34] So that's a whole aside. So don't take the hotel toiletries unless you really, really need to, or, or it's a really good make. But if you do take those hotel toiletries, you need to have a plan for those, and the plan is not if you've got them from a five star hotel or a four star or a three star hotel. Ty, chances are the next time you go away, you're going to go to another one of those things.

[00:20:57] Yeah. So you might go camping or whatever and you might be able to take them, but you, you don't need to. You're not going to take them 'cause you're going to get them again. And so what people typically do is they take the toiletries and think, oh, they'll be fantastic. They're little kind of sample sizes for when I go away.

[00:21:13] But then they go away to somewhere that's the same as where they got the toiletries from. Does that make sense? And so we never use them. 

[00:21:21] Ingrid: I've fallen foul to this. I'm going to help hold my hand up because I went somewhere really, really nice. Long, long, long time ago. Oh, wow. Just once did bring the nice toiletries home because they were a beautiful brand.

[00:21:36] So I'm following your pattern. Exactly, Lesley. And then I thought, oh, they're so nice I can't use them. So then they were in my. This is where I keep my travel size toiletries box, which I have in my bathroom. I've got a nice little plastic box, which it says travel, and then they lived in there until at one point I went, how long ago was this?

[00:21:59] Nice trip. Wow. That's like eight years ago. I wonder if that body lotion is still something I want to put on my buddy. And then of course, apart from the soap that lasts like forever, like a bar of soap, everything else got thrown away because I didn't use it. What a waste. I know. Done it. Really been there and done that.

[00:22:20] Got the t-shirt. Lesley, you've done everything. I, 

[00:22:23] Lesley: I, I mean, you've got to get sacked from this podcast. You've done the y, you've done the, the champagne. Now you've done the toiletries. The only thing you don't do is the towels and the bedding, so we'll. But you have got a 10,000 pound Tiffany necklace. 

[00:22:37] Ingrid: You fair?

[00:22:37] Don't be ridiculous. 

[00:22:39] Lesley: Um, no. So what we're, what we're going to advise here is if you do take hotel toiletries, and that's perfectly fine and acceptable, you need to have a plan with those, have a little place and start to use them as soon as you get home. So the whole idea of you taking that away, To save you money actually long term, isn't it?

[00:22:56] And buying them. So use them at home, use them up, you know, start to go through those, you know, get the value out of the things that you've taken. Ultimately, you've paid for those. 'cause that's, that hotel room was yours that you paid for. So get the value out of those at home. Don't keep them for the next trip.

[00:23:11] 'cause all that means is that they sit there and then you never take them on the next trip 'cause you've forgotten all about them. Yeah. 

[00:23:17] Ingrid: Yeah. And it clutters up cupboards, that's for sure. And I think one last thing let you then connected to these toiletries is also gift sets. So we get nice little gift sets on, on birthdays, you know, with a body lotion and a body wash and a one of those puffy sponges and, and, and bath salts and all that.

[00:23:36] And we get a nice little package and we think, Ooh, I'm going to keep that for a special occasion. Then it sits there on the side of the bath gathering dust forever and ever. And then, It's lots of products that we don't use, so either donate the gift set if it has lots of stuff that you don't like, or open the gift set.

[00:23:54] Take out what you're going to use and donate the rest to a charity. Shop a food bank, put it on oleo free cycle because somebody else can really enjoy it. Don't let it all go to waste. I think that's what we're all about, isn't it, Lesley? 

[00:24:08] Lesley: Yeah, use things up. Utilize these things that you've got and get the sentimental value out of the things that you've been given.

[00:24:15] Don't keep things for best 'cause best might never come. That sounds a bit depressing, doesn't it? It's a bit depressing. 

[00:24:22] Ingrid: No, but I, no, but I think I, I think, I think more math, maybe more. My thing is when is the best time then? What are you waiting for? I mean, so many people wait for when I'm retired, for when I got more time, for when I've got, but.

[00:24:38] If, if, if, wish, wish, wish, it's, it's, it's not, it's not going to get you anywhere and that's just a shame. The moment is now. Yes. Let's just embrace it. Ingrid. I think so. I think so. I really, you know, you, you've got your chance now. You live, live to your fullest. As far as we know. We've only got one life, Lesley, as far as I at the moment, know I've only got my life.

[00:25:02] You need to make the most of it, and that that means that you've got something to celebrate on a Tuesday. Put that bottle of champagne in the fridge and drink it. You know what I mean? It's like when otherwise, are you going to do it? Completely 

[00:25:14] Lesley: agree. Could not agree 

[00:25:16] Ingrid: more. Well, we got that out of the way. We got that off.

[00:25:20] I really wanted to talk to people about this because it really is like, I think it's really important and I think it'll help people a lot with their clutter. So I think that's why it's an important topic to talk about as well. Next week we are going to talk about the 10 minute task to get things done. I like it.

[00:25:39] So thanks for being here, and we'll see you soon.
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Joan says:

23 June 2022 at 8:01 AM

My father in law saved a bottle of port and a bottle of Madeira for a special occasion. We had it at his funeral. Since then I enjoy what I have. The good china, the good bedding sheets. I do though use a set of jewellery for special occasion. I should use Them more. I Think I Will wear Them today. Thanks for remembering me 😊❤️
Joan

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1. Ingrid Jansen says:
  
  24 June 2022 at 3:29 PM
  
  Thank you Joan for sharing with us. Good for you for using your nice items all the time instead of saving them for best. The best is now. Ingrid x
  
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