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Episode 273 – Are you Team Ingrid or Team Lesley?

There are always different perspectives when it comes to decluttering. Different ideas will land differently depending on where you are in your decluttering journey and what makes you tick. In this podcast we’re going to talk through different styles of decluttering and organising that all have a common goal of a clutter free home that you want to be in and feel proud of.
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There are always different perspectives when it comes to decluttering. Different ideas will land differently depending on where you are in your decluttering journey, and what makes you tick. In this podcast, we're going to talk about different styles of decluttering and organizing. They all have a common goal of a clutter free home that you want to be in and feel proud of.

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You're listening to the declutter Apple podcast, bringing you tried and tested no nonsense tips and advice from the leading experts in decluttering and organizing your home. Now here are your hosts, Ingrid Jansen, and Lesley Spellman.

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Hello, and welcome, listeners. I'm Ingrid. And I'm Lesley. If you're new to the declutter hub podcast, you're so welcome. What you'll find is that we try and find a fun factor in the serious business of decluttering. And if you've been here for a while, you know exactly what we mean. So thank you so much for listening. If

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you'd like to get involved in conversations related to this podcast, it all takes place in our Facebook group. So come and join our lovely, warm, supportive community. To find the Facebook group go to declutter hub.com forward slash group to find out more, or you can search for the declutter hub community on Facebook. Well, Lesley,

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before are you playing Christmas music in the background? I mean, you would think so, looking at us on Youtube we have dressed for the occasion. It's like two days before Christmas a look at

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us. I know. Can you see my I feel a little bit cheated, because my antlers are like, too tall for the screen. And so I feel like you can't get the full effects but like, they like they've got like my my Mechanoids I feel like I've like surpassed yours. Yours is very understated. And mine is like amazing, right?

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I know. I've got one witness.

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Yeah, I think I think mine's got the edge. Now.

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I know you've done really well. I've tried to outshine you with my glittery talk. But I think the endless really everyone.

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We are talking about team Lesley versus Team Ingrid today. So this is the first thing and so people can vote. Do they prefer the present? Or the antlers? And here's a hint it's definitely analyzed.

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Make noise. I know I heard of Jingle it's really cute. Anyway, you've done really, really well.

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Thank you. You can sing Ingrid, I feel on this Christmas podcast. If we're really going head to head on teaming with vs. Team, Lesley, I feel that you might need to bring out the singing later on. This

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was not in the script, Lesley. I mean, I do sing regularly for our members in the membership. But I don't know if go through that on the podcast is a really good idea. Because then it's out there forever. And it used to be used against

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I know, but I will be bringing out the big guns as they say later if you want to win if you want to one win this competition. Today, it's quite strange, but we thought we'd do something a little bit of fun right before Christmas, who's gonna be doing any decluttering? Right, it's tight, it's time to just be celebrating. So we're gonna do a little bit of fun. But we are going to talk we are actually going to try and give you some educational value, and talk about the different perspectives that there are on decluttering. Now if you've been in our world for a while, you're going to know that even though Ingrid and I am mostly aligned, not in everything in life, but in decluttering. But there I did, we have different ways of approaching a decluttering journey of approaching running our business our day to day lives, our families, our homes, whatever different kind of mindset, almost, even though we are quite aligned, there are many things that we're not aligned on. And so the reason why we're talking about this is to kind of explain that even when you're on a decluttering journey, people come to it with very different angles, and very different things are going to resonate with them. Which is why we think it's super cool in the declutter hub that we've got the English side of things on the Lesley's side of it because we both bring very different ideas and different angles of which you will have heard no doubt if you are listening to our podcast so we wanted to talk with feels quite narcissistic I'm not gonna lie like talking about ourselves or anything but English completely comfortable with it and he's like yes shouting from the rooftops I'm a Nathan teeming with the wind all the way to Robert all the way. Oh, guys just seem a little bit. I don't know really. But anyway, so we are going to wax lyrical about our own skill set. Throughout this podcast and try and vie for supremacy, I think that's the way it's gonna go right.

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I've got some things up my sleeve Lesley.

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Right. Okay. So if we're talking teaming with our team, Lesley, I think the most we're talking about in a decluttering context, hold back on your things that you're writing down here. We're not talking about all things, private things. We're talking about decluttering.

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I know, I know. Okay.

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So first things first, when it comes to a decluttering journey, I think it's fair to say that we look at things in a different way. We are aligned, we come together, I can be practical, you can be emotionally lead, but in general, I'm the more emotionally lead psychologically driven one. And you're the more practical one. I think that's true. We know it's true. Yeah, for

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sure. And I think it both has upsides, you know, I don't think necessarily either has downsides. I think we're just down people with a different view of things. But as a person who might be who maybe have clutter in their lives, I think you need a combination of emotional and practical. But we look at really different things. And I think it's important for people to realize what kind of person they are.

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Yeah, exactly. So we're absolutely you're absolutely right. And so if we're talking about you and I and so it's not that I don't have a practical bone in my body, and you don't have any emotional bone in your body. It's that we we veer towards one or the other a little bit more. So we're probably like a 7030, aren't we? Yeah, so I'm probably more 70% digging into this psychological stuff, you're probably 70% digging into the practical organizational stuff, and then we've got a little bit of the other and so it's like that, but you're right, it's absolutely, it's critical for you to understand what it is that makes you tick. And you need to understand both if you're going on a journey, you need to do both the thought by thought part of what we use our reset your home system to dig into the why. So why do you feel like this? Why are you holding on to stuff all all of the why, what are your psychological triggers? What are the things that are holding you back emotionally, but you also need to execute on those and do the doing to make sure that you get the job done? And so you need both in equal measure.

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I think you also have to take into consideration what kind of upbringing possibly you have, what kind of education you had, I mean, like, for example, I did hotelschool, right. So I have always worked in hotels, where you have to be very practical, right. And I think that can help you as well in because some people say, Well, I'm very organized at work, but at home, I just can't seem to get my act together. And I think, see what you can then pick and choose from how you work in work. And if you can take some of those lessons and apply to them in your house. Because just because you're quite organized and on top of it at work doesn't mean that you can't be at home. So I think you have to kind of think about what positive things can I use to help me at home with my clutter? And not go? Well? I'm gonna give up. I can't do it at all. And I think dig deep in your in what happened? And what are the things that you're good at in other areas and see if you can apply that in your own home, when you're tackling your decluttering?

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Are you talking about playing to your strengths or about developing your weaknesses? So there's two different sides in there. So if you come at things from quite a practical angle, you still got to fill the voids right of where you know. So if you are all guns blazing, want to jump in and get the job done without thinking about the emotional stuff. But he equally you could be I know exactly what my problem is, but I'm not doing it. And so we have to sort of develop don't where we have to learn to veer into the out of our comfort zone into the places that we don't to be and you know what you're saying about being really good at work and not being quite so good at home, which is very common, right? Ingrid, people are meticulous, you know, work and not at home, people have meticulous homes and their cars are a complete mess. You know, so we've got different things going on. So I think it's about playing to those strengths and trying to bring them into other areas of your life, if that's the thing, and equally trying to work out what part of the decluttering puzzle is missing for you really isn't.

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Yeah, I think that's really, really true. Because I think that can help you glyph give clarity on what you need to work on. It was very interesting, because one of our members recently said I'm actually good at decluttering a lot and but letting it go, I find really hard. So I'm good at deciding what I want to no longer one in my life and actually then moving it on. That's where I struggle. So I think it's important to think as well. The decluttering journey can be broken up in different parts as well. It's like we have the cycle of success. It's all the steps. Some people aren't really good at starting, and then struggle with the hard questions to ask themselves, but actually, that then donating and the finishing the thing they find easy, but that middle part I found really hard for other people get started, go through the questions, but then kind of struggle at the end of the cycle of success that we have here in the declutter hub, but actually donating and finishing it. And I think all of those things have to work well to make progress in your decluttering. And I think it's important to have that reflection for yourself to go, what is it where I am always kind of on the falling down, but where I always struggle? And which part? Do I Find the hardest? And that I need to work on? Yeah,

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definitely. 100%. And I think so just to keep it in the sort of teaming with visiting Lesley context, again, we were trying to think about where we were we do things differently, and not necessarily in a decluttering journey, because we've both got that fairly under control, but like in other areas of our lives. Yeah. And so you know, we can put it into a kind of business context, that's where we struggle, where we have to do loads of things where we have to go out of our comfort zone where, you know, where we procrastinate on things, so that, you know, running the business is people's equivalent of a decluttering journey, isn't it? We're learning, we're growing, we're changing all of those things. And so I think, you know, teaming grid on this is making a list, you know, to the nth degree. theme, Lesley is jumping straight in not worrying too much about the list. And thinking, Well, I just want to do it now. I don't really want to put it on a list, although I do, but I do put things on list to be fair, and that can be quite obsessive about lists as well. But minds moral obsession about having the list in the right order, isn't it? The English lists are quite sort of expensive. Would that be the word? Yeah. Over several pages where that would drive me insane. I need my list, I need to get them capitalized. I need to get them onto the right sections I need to. So I would spend a lot of time making the lists look great. And Inglewood. Just have them on five different things. And so I think what we're trying to say in here is there are a lot of people who stole who write their intentions down. But don't ever get to the execution stage. Yeah. And so that's what we're kind of talking about in the there's got to come a point and Ingrid talks about the cycle of success, where you move on from the planning into the starting, which is like the second stage on our cycle of success, right?

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Yeah, yeah. And I think you know, what, I think people who want to declutter, don't even think about the fact that there are different stages. They just think about the stuff and I want to get it out there. Don't even think about how they're going to do that. How they're going to get there. When they're going to take make the time to sort it out. If they've got the preparation sorted. That I mean, they just know it's going to be hard and a lot and overwhelmed. But they're like, I need to get it done. But then Then forget, like, actually, I've bitten off far more than I can chew. I cannot eat this elephant in one time. I have to break it down. But that's why I think a lot of people find decluttering so hard. And what we teach here in the declutter hub is to go, you need to learn to break this project down. And what are your goals? What are what do you want to achieve here? How are you going to break down in manageable chunks? What questions are you going to ask yourself, where you're going to put it? What makes sense to you and all of the things that we teach in the declutter hub, actually. But we just get there in different ways, right? I think you and I are so aligned in so many things. But you will always say something that like, oh, wow, that, you know, that's really emotional. You look at from that perspective, but I just go okay, practically, how are you going to do that? And beanbags? Where are you when you're going to drive there? Does it fit to your calendar? It your car boots, and the you know, that kind of thing? Yeah, we both have the same outcome, but just different ways that overlap, of course, to getting there. Yeah,

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absolutely. And so. So, you know, you've got to have both. I think that's what we're inclusion that we're coming to, you have to have both things and I think it's really lucky. And that's why within the membership we love so much when we get a combo, typically of husband and wife, sometimes mother and daughter we've had as well that work together with different strengths with one common goal in mind. Yeah, really make it happen because you can bring two things together just make because if, if there was two of me in this business, it would be too much of a noisy space. And if there was too much of Ingrid in this business And then she'd still be riding lesson goes, yeah. So it's like, no, no, you have to have somebody who's kind of you know, we're talking about the kind of here and now. So Ingrid, in general in the business is quite focused on what needs to be done this week. And that's the way that the business has been designing with does that because that's her role in the business, because that's her playing to her strengths. And my role in the business is to think a little bit more forward thinking a little bit more strategically, all of those kinds of things. Yeah, so we come together to make that work. But I'm bored, you know, so I'm bored by the here and now. And Ingrid doesn't like to think strategically because she loves today, right? Or this week. Yeah. So you have to play to your strengths. But you know, when you're on a decluttering journey, when you don't have the benefit of two people, it's important to have both and so the what that would represent in a decluttering journey is probably small, manageable goals versus big picture goals, you have to project forward to the future, like do not to mean what do I want this to look like in six months time? Versus what do I want to achieve today? And so that's the equivalent isn't it? And you need both in equal measure. And so it's so important to think about focusing on the here and now but also thinking about where you want to get to in the future.

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Yeah, exactly. Lesley you know what I was thinking while you were talking and like we were talking quite deep stuff here. Do people actually take a seriously when we've got like a bow on our heads and Angeles overhead? is like, a couple of days before like Christmas and lots of festivities. I mean, maybe we should just play Christmas music and do a bit of rock choir singing I

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know we want to do that. We will do that. We'll get down to the nitty gritty of teaming with vs. Team. Lesley later after we've done the serious stuff. We can't just not talk about any serious decluttering and stopping when even though we want to we could just sit here and like chat about this and that. But maybe people might tune tune out. I think well, you know

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what, let's go for a break. And then really delve into the team Ingrid and Lesley after. Hi, everyone. Welcome back after your little break. Yes, Team Ingrid or team Lesley. That's what we're talking about. And let's just then dive into a good example. I love folding. Lesley loves hanging. Who might God even know what you're talking about? That is one of the things we're actually very different in aren't we Lesley, you love? Well, you actually don't like folding? I think that's why you're hanging? Yeah,

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yeah, I don't. I still don't like it. It's just that I don't. There are people in life who find things therapeutic. That I would find fiddly. So I'm too speedy to you know, am I on board with that now I want to move on. And so, you know, sitting there and folding T shirts to put in a drawer or fold in knickers or folding pairs of socks. It's like people who love it. And then because they think it's therapeutic and stuff. Like that kind of thing is just like, life's too short for that. And so give me the easy way to do something. And that will be what I do. You know, I'm not worried about things being meticulous. I just want to be able to find what I need to find easily. I don't need it to look incredible. Yeah. So the aesthetics Don't worry me. And I know you're more you like folding. I mean, some of it comes from your space as well, you know, you know, we both have different spaces. And so but you love to fold right and yeah, get great joy on a Saturday. This thing was very like, friday. I do this Saturday. I do that Sunday. I do this. Yeah. But that will drive me insane. That kind of rigidity. No, I

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like it. I love you do I know. That's yeah. And I do also not mind ironing either. So I mean, yes, I would rather do something else for two hours, but I'm not gonna go to another and the worst thing ever, and then put it off and put it off. I know, every two weeks. There's two hours of irony in my diary, but then I like to do it in a proper way. I like to then have everything nice looking. I would really be bothered if one of my kids would go to school in an unarmed shirt. I just I just know that. I just don't like it. I'm very meticulous that way. I don't know why it should end but it should go watch TV and I watched you know, Hamilton and I watched Netflix and I watched a series or Formula One or you know, it's not understanding you have two hours going, it has to be perfect. No, I mean, you know, then I wouldn't give too much longer. But ya know, I don't mind folding. I find it half an hour on the Saturday and just sit down and just do it and I feel organized. It makes me feel organized when everything is folded and put away in the drawers. I know everybody's got their stuff for the week and I don't have to run or panic or it feel makes me feel organized. I think that's it. Yeah,

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it's good. I'm glad. I think it takes me back to the podcast that we recorded with Cass OS and from Clutterbuck back in whenever ages ago. I don't know, June was June, when classes got her for organizing styles. And so we talked a lot about that, like, Are you a folder or a hanger? Are you just? Is it good? Just good enough? I think that's the thing you know, or do you want to go to the enth degree and I think it's important to work that out as well. Now what we see a lot within people who are on a decluttering journey is there's a lot of focus on the aesthetic sometimes and on the folding. And that comes at a price of the other stuff being left. And so some people love the kind of folding of the Nikka scenario. People that are very cluttered sometimes will go all in on the folding aesthetic bit, but not do the basics that sit behind that in terms of decluttering the stuff that you don't need and putting them all together and stuff like that all the rest of the room will be complete chaos. But the knicker drawer will look amazing. You know what I mean? So yeah, again, it's about finding that balance and working out where your systems are falling down. She just made it because my system works for me English system works for her you can go down at whatever route you want to go down. The most important thing is you have the right stuff in your house and you can find it easily in an organized way. And so it's about understanding that and and seeing what makes you tick on what do you want your version of decluttered and organized to look like you

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know what Lesley? I just had a flashback. A flashback in my mind. Do you remember hashtag sock rotators unites? Yeah, yeah.

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Yes, right. Go on. Explain for anybody who didn't? Didn't Yeah, this is a classic teaming with vs. Team Lesley. Right.

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Is was just like so I think it happened last last January to reset your hold. Yeah, that's why that's why we called Ways to reset your home challenge to start next week or in two weeks, right? Because crazy fantastic stuff happens. So I don't know how we got on to it. But if I told in the challenge that I actually rotate my socks, so once I fold my socks on a Saturday, and I just don't

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stay at 2pm or 210 She's running late.

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I opened my drawer and I put those socks in the back of the drawer so I get a rotation in my socks. Well, this was the beginning of the end and the Facebook group went absolutely bananas with and somebody came up with hashtag sock rotators unite because other people like yeah, rotate my socks do and other people like our team. Let's do this with this sounds correctly. Why would you rotate your sock and then I was like making it worse by telling everybody that I rotate my towels and my hand towels and my my underwear and my pajamas.

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What was the counter hashtag there was an alternative hashtag remember that was? Because I needed my own hashtag it was all team Ingrid and her hashtag and I had no hashtag. And somebody came up with one but I can't remember what it was now.

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Remember, I just saw chakra that you like combined recently. That's why I think about it now. But it was like it's it's classic, isn't it? It's like we're we're both very organized. But we're so you just gotta go well, socks in the drawer. Are we go? Oh, no, you have to put them in the back. Yeah, it was so funny. So funny.

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Suck rotators unites. Okay, so I want to talk now a little bit about the decluttering process because this is something else where we sort of differ in terms of when we're doing a decluttering project for ourselves or indeed for our clients. And that is presort to presort or not to presort let's call it that. So teeming grid is on the pre sorting things. So explain. Yes.

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So if I would do my wardrobe or a client's wardrobe, I would say Okay, let's take out all of the stuff that is hanging and lots of times in with a client, their clothes are muddles. So there is the dresses are not going to dresses there stops in between the trousers in between the jackets in between. And it's like okay, we need to figure out first we need to create different piles of stuff. So I will then take out each thing individually from the wardrobe and go aha, this is a top I'm going to put it in a pile where the tops live. And then you get a pile for the jackets and the trousers and the skirts and dresses and the T shirts you create different piles. And then when you've got the different piles, you can go, Okay, now I can see, these are all my T shirts, let's go through them, or these are all my trousers. And let's go through and see which ones I want to keep. And which ones I want to declutter. And I thought this was like, complete common sense until we started talking. But you do that differently. Not that it's wrong, not that my way is wrong or your way is wrong. But we were like, what I was, like, completely convinced that everybody decluttered the way that I did, I'm

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sort of on the fence a little bit, really, because ultimately, when I'm working with a client, it's not my way to not I mean, so it's, it's up to the client to decide what they want to do and how they want to do it. But my natural way would be more to take the stuff out of the wardrobe, one item at a time and make a decision on it there and then and then put the pile, then put the pile together. So I would you know, because I think clients can make some decisions quite quickly. So I would kind of do that, then I wouldn't, you know, like, oh, is this a keeper or you're gonna let it go. And then if they either are not sure about the decision, or definitely want to keep, then it will go on one pile, but the stuff goes straight in the bag. So I don't necessarily feel at that stage, that there's a requirement for a presort. So that's always the way that I've done it. But that doesn't mean to say that if I felt that the the amount of stuff was going to be very relevant to that client that I wouldn't do a pre saw. And if the client wanted to do a pre sort, of course, I do a pre so but my natural ways not to pre sort. And so I think, you know, I think it's important to, to think about the reason why we're talking about this is it's important for you to think about what, what your strategy is going to be. And so the pre sorting side of things is very much I need to see the full picture to be able to make a decision. So that would probably be about the numbers that styles, the types? Or can I make a decision based on one item coming in front of me as a kind of more of a knee jerk reaction, but more of a quicker reaction? Do I love it? Do I not love it? You know, it's more of an emotional reaction. And it's probably, it probably plays in England, to be honest, to me being more emotionally led, and you'd be more practically late. So you're thinking about the practical side, it's almost like making a list, like you're putting those things pre sorting or making your list in advance. Whereas I'm kind of, you know, viewing the client off towards making an emotional decision based on what they see as it comes out of their wardrobe. So then the important thing is working out what you think do not mean what how do you think that you would work as in a decluttering? Process?

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Yeah. I mean, of course, you know, when I take something out and a class is Oh, no, oh, I don't like this shirt at all. I'm not going to even put it on the pile. But that is more like really weird. Those one offs, I would I think the presorting has worked always really well for me, but I think you rights. You know, you always go with what the client wants to do. But, of course, sometimes they struggle and they don't know what the best thing is. So that I think it's also where the Professional Organizer feels comfortable, and what their preferred ways to feel that they help their clients along the way. So yeah, interesting, interesting. Is there anything else unless you that we can put a team Ingrid or team Lesley on,

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like a million things I know, that we can talk about in this podcast, but I think, you know, what we wanted to talk about really was how there's different ways of going through a decluttering journey. And different things are gonna resonate with you. Right. So I think, I think that's where we're at with this. And so we can both get, you know, so you and I have both got to run in a professional organizing business, being at the helm of the declutter hub, having a decluttered and organized home, you know, writing less than getting things done, we do them in a different way. But we get to the same point, you know, by going on a slightly different journey. And I think that we've always been at the declutter, hub, very kind of anti a one size fits all scenario for decluttering. And we've always been like, your journey your way, haven't weighed your love to me. And so whilst we guide people down a path with things like that roadmap where we say, this is a great order, we do that to guide and not to prescribe. So we're not if you don't want to do it in that way, or that doesn't make sense to you veer off from the roadmap and do it in a slightly different way. But what we find is that people like that guidance sometimes and some people don't, right.

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Yes, let's see, that's, you know, that is so true. Because in the end, what we all want, is a house that we feel happy with. And that house that we feel happy with, looks different to different people. Some people like a very streamlined, empty look, while others love it being warm and cozy and full of knickknacks and things. And other people want to have it more modern. Other people won't have it more traditional. We all have own tastes, and that's fine. But the overall feeling we all want is to be able to be in a home where we can find things where we feel happy in, where we can live our lives without stress that we're constantly searching for stuff. And although we have different ways of getting there, the end goal is the same, isn't it? Absolutely.

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I think one of the other things, Ingrid, is that when we're going on a decluttering journey, everyone's got a different level of tolerance for clutter. So there are people who are really happy to talk about different styles of homes and things like that. But some people look at other people on a decluttering journey, you know, so people put pictures on the Facebook group or whatever and go, they look like their before pictures look like where I want to get to after dinner. So I mean, there's a bit of that. But I think what we have to kind of understand is that people have got different levels of tolerance of clutter. So some people have got a very low tolerance of clutter and really want to go to the enth degree, other people are happy with, you know, a much bigger volumes of stuff. And so it's all about different levels of tolerance. So we all come to decluttering with a different goal in mind with a different with different strengths with different weaknesses with different kinds of things that resonate, whether emotionally lead, whether we're procrastinators, or doers, you know, so there's all different things. But ultimately, all of those things can be learnt. Yeah, can be worked on and can be fixed, right?

31:31
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And I think what the conclusion that I'm kind of making here, Lesley, is that we started this out this podcast with our team, Lesley or team Ingrid. But I think, talking, we are so aligned in so many ways. And of course, that is one of the reasons why our members are now calling us team Engli.

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Because they, I think I can't remember who it was, but it was like I was back in September, October. They were like, oh, I need to ask Ingrid or Lesley. And there's Yeah. And then it became Engli, then it became less read less rates. And then it became a whole kind of word game on the on the less read, let's get read, which was very funny. But I mean, now the whole membership is calling us Engli, we need to ask Engli, which is funny. You know what I mean? So because of course, you know, we, we work with our members, and we love it so much. So if you're thinking to yourself, oh my goodness, I've been listening to the podcast, I love listening to these ladies every week, I'm going to join in into the reset your home challenge because I need to know more about this decluttering I want to know more about where they are aligned, and where they teach each other and where they're different and where they have fun. Come and join us in January for the reset your home challenge comm and sign up. We can teach you so much about decluttering and organizing, and so much more than that. I think that's the emotional side. That's so important. And yeah, we would love to have you there

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feeling good as if you're trying to wrap up this podcast without doing what I said you were going to do at the beginning of the podcast. I feel like you know, she's definitely come to her. Okay, we're wrapping things up now. Yeah, and I'm like, I feel like we promised something else.

33:31
I know. I know. You want me to sing? Don't you know,

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I'll go I don't want you to sing. Well, you know, people listening want you to sing. Your family requested and you can nail it on the team Ingrid if we're going down a competition route by singing because I'm definitely not going to sing. I only think within my choir.

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All right, well, let me do a little rock wire song then because I think that's the one I know quite well. And now I think that is going to be my training. So snow is falling all around me. Children plaguing having fun. It's the season. Love and understanding. Merry Christmas. Every one to two party party celebrations. Dancing All Night Long. Well, there you go. Nice. Merry Christmas, everyone. Yeah, that's

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a great one to end on. Merry Christmas, everyone. And if you celebrate something different, have a fabulous festive season. Yes. We will be back next week for our reflections on 2023. No, and we will be back in 2024 in full force on the third of January. Probably set your home challenge. Let's start the new year with a decluttering bank.

34:54
Exactly. So thanks everybody. We wish you a lovely week. and full of festivities, and fun. We'll see you next week for a brand new podcast. Bye, everyone.

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