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Episode 288 – What’s to blame for my clutter?

When you are feeling overwhelmed, it can be easy to blame someone or something for how the clutter in your home has built. But is trying to find a scapegoat helpful when you are on a decluttering journey? In this podcast we delve into the whys and wherefores of blame.
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When you're feeling overwhelmed, it can be easy to blame someone or something for how the clutter in your home has built. But it's trying to find a scapegoat helpful when you've embarked on a decluttering journey. In today's podcast, we're going to delve into the whys and wherefores.

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You're listening to the declutter Apple podcast bringing you tried and tested no nonsense tips advice from the leading experts decluttering and organizing your home. Now here are your hosts, Ingrid Jansen, and Lesley Spellman.

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Hello, and welcome, listeners. I'm Ingrid. And I'm Lesley. If you're new to the declutter hub podcast, you're so welcome. What you'll find is that we try and find a fun factor in the serious business of decluttering. And if you've been here for a while, you know exactly what we mean. So thank you so much for listening. If

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Lesley, nice to see you again, for a brand new podcast episode. Number, the issue we're going to talk about today, let's be honest,

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I feel like it's gonna be a bit deep fry, there'll be deep. So a little bit of tough love maybe in there as well. But sometimes that's what people need to move forward in that decluttering journey. So today, we're going to talk all about blame is someone or some thing responsible for the clutter building in your home. I think that it's a natural response, right to try and blame other people or something out there in the ether for problems that we have. We all do it. Let's be honest, we will, you know, want to find, why don't when will I start off? Well, you know, it's very much the ebbs and flows depending on how you're feeling on the day. But sometimes you're just so fed up that you're like, it's not all about me, or the people that are causing this problem. Yeah. But is that helpful? This is the question to blame other people for your clutter problem. Is it helpful? Or is it holding us back? And that's what we're going to sort of talk about, and some of these things are going to be absolutely, yep, some people are to blame for certain things in your life. But it's like what we do with that information and how we move it forward. So it's something that people talk about all the time. Really Ingrid, it's something you know, if you ask the question, who's to blame? Who would be first on the list?

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I think a lot of people say, Oh, it's not me, it's my partner, or my husband or my kids, pets for pets can blend as well for Clutter and chaos.

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Yeah, now, it's fair to say that most of our listeners are female. We know that not everybody, absolutely not. And this does not exclude males by any stretch of the imagination. But I feel that certainly as women of a certain age, we have sort of taken on responsibility historically for the home. And we kind of carry that burden with us. So even if other people are 5050, in terms of chores and splitting things up. We're the one who kind of feel it, we feel the responsibility for the home and the clutter, don't weigh. And so even if other people are the ones that are causing it, and that are not helping us were the ones who are like, well, we need to fix this right. But are other people to blame for the clutter in our home? Ingrid, what do you think?

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Oh, it's it's so tricky, Lesley. And the thing is, once you start to think about it in this way, I think it can become very negative. And it can really sabotage your own energy levels and your own positivity and your own willingness to do something about it. If you're feeling like you're on the bottom of the mountain, or you're swimming against the stream, you know what I mean? It's like, well, nobody cares. And why am I doing this and you can really turn it into a very negative spiral of thinking and that's not really helpful, either. So I'm glad we're talking about this, but Ha, yeah, almost anybody gets mad,

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I think. Yeah, it's hard. So if I if I look at our house, which is relatively clutter free, my husband loves things right. I've talked about this before he loves things is it under control, mostly under control. I keep the rest of the house under control. But the bottom line is it doesn't matter do not mean because I can't do anything about him. I can only deal with my own clutter and hope that he kind of comes along a little bit by osmosis if that makes so I You know, unless I'm nagging constantly and constantly and constantly, but everyone's entitled to their own relationship with stuff, right? So first of all, we need to tackle our own stuff. First, we need to deal with the things that we can deal with before we start to tackle the things that we that are a little bit more tricky. You know, because that's a little bit more about negotiation and compromise. But let's get the basics done, which all starts with AWS and getting the bulk of the harm done, whether that's your partner, or your children, or anybody else who lives at home with you, right? Yeah.

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Yeah, I think so to think about the thing is, Lesley as well, if we look at clutter, a lot of people also look at themselves first, right? Like, why can I not do this? Why? Why is my house so messy? We compare ourselves to other people. And we go, everybody else around us seems to have gotten together. But why is it me that can't seem to do this? And I think we are really judging ourselves really, really hard. And I think a lot of people also look at themselves and blame themselves for the clutter. Yeah,

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depending on which way the winds blowing that day, sometimes we turn it on to ourselves, as you say, and we go, I'm ridiculous, I can't do this, why can't I do this. And we, of course, we take on what other people say, you know, these things are historical things for years and years. And that's why we, we struggled to be kind to ourselves, because we're just stuck at the end of the day. It's very overwhelming. It's very debilitating. And we're trying to find something else. Some reason some people will turn to it's not me, it's other people, but I'm the one that has to deal with it. And some people will be it's all about me, and I'm the only one that can fix it. Because it's me that needs to fix myself. Right. And so I think the first thing, you know, is a couple of things that we've been chatting through. So the message around that, and honestly, in our q&a that we do in our membership, this will come up at least once a month, what can I do about other people in my home, who are not playing ball in the decluttering world that I'm in at the moment, because once people go on a pathway to transformation, you've obviously then gonna go, but I've done all my stuff, but then there's still these little pockets of things in my home, that are bothering me, you know, I mean, and how do I then fix those? And so this comes up all the time? And our answer is often, you can't, you know, to me, you can hope that actually the simplicity that happened that is happening within your home, the fact that there's less stress, the fact that, you know, we've made these big strides forward, we're saving money, we're saving time, everyone feels more happy with that. And with people like me, so is seeing the positive results of that transformation is going to bring other people on board. And very, very often it does, but you've got to play quite a long waiting game, right and good sometimes for that stuff up in. Yeah. And then, of course, what you mentioned, as well as this kind of blaming ourselves, Is that helpful. That's something that we talk about. And it's the first foundation on which you need to build your decluttering journey, which is you need to draw a line under this and go, it doesn't matter. There's no point in blaming myself, because that is never ever gonna take me forwards. So I need to cut that blame out right now. And I need to go, there's my line in the sand. From today, I'm going to move forwards in my decluttering journey, forget about blame, need to look, you know, like really focusing on being kind to myself, and knowing that this is going to change from today onwards. So other people tricky. It takes a while yourself that can start today. And that's the most important thing.

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I know. I know. And I think that really starts with Friday, I read of all that negative self talk, right? Why am I so stupid? Why can't I do this? Why? All of those things that turn that around to? Well, I can't do it yet. I'm learning I'm trying to change myself. You know, I'm working on it. It's a work in progress. In the end, in the end, the tortoise always wins and not necessarily the hare, you know, I need to take my time over this. But those kinds of little steps. And really, we're talking about tiny steps forward, but turning it into a positive experience and going all the things you haven't done, but look at what I have accomplished today. And you mentioned the membership just a minute ago. It's exactly what we do as well in our goals of the month that we have and our accountability threads in the forum and our message boards that we have when we when Pete when our members say actually it's really helped me to write down all the things that I do but there's always beat myself up of everything that I haven't done. But then I look at the list and go wow, I completely forgot half the stuff that I did last week or the week before and oh wow, I've actually done much more than I thought I was doing. So that starts to plant those positive seeds designate of being kinder to yourself I

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think it's like you know, even in our challenges that we do regularly incurred, it's the first thing that we teach, everything that we teach is because all of a sudden the light bulb goes on and goes, You know what all of this negative self solving has been talking about, it's just not going to help me, it's going to keep me stuck. And so we need to leave that behind and move forward. So self blame is never going to be helpful at all. Other people, tricky to manage, but you've just got to kind of almost live in hope. And have we got the answer to that after 13 years in this business? No, we do not, do not we also live in hope that it's going to develop along the way, it's not an easy thing. Now, when we talk about other people, one of the other things that people talk about when they look at why they are the way they are, and their relationship to clutter is their early years. So their childhood. So let's talk about that a little bit. Are our parents to blame for the way that we are today? With arquata?

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Oh, wow, what a question, Lesley, I think we look, we try to find reasons, I think why we are the way we are, and then we kind of go well, but I was never taught properly. I was never, I never knew how to do anything, or my house was really chaotic when I grew up. So no wonder I've got no idea what I'm doing here. Or sometimes there was a very tidy house, where the mom and or dad or the cleaner or somebody would always do all the work and you would never be involved as a child. So it all kind of magically happened while you maybe were at school. But you were never taught the rhythms and routines that need to happen to keep a house taken over. So it can I think be very easy then to go well. Well, my parents never told me anything. But I think sometimes you also have to kind of I don't know, almost make peace with that fact. And go, Well, I can't change that now. Right?

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Yeah, I think it's valid, you know, whether it's helpful to call it blame and to keep yourself stuck. And think that's a reason is a whole nother debate, I guess. But, you know, is it wrong for parents, to not involve children in teaching them the fundamentals of keeping an organized home or an organized bedroom, you know, giving the right message about the throughput of stuff, like, you know, if you want something new for your birthday, that's something else in principle has to go all of those kinds of things that we recommend that people start from a very young age, if you've never been party to those, I mean, blames a really strong word, but it is relevant, you know, it is relevant. So we're, we're big advocates of, if you're struggling now today, and you're looking back and going, I wish that my mum or dad had taught me these things when I was young, because that would have given me the basics, to kind of develop through life and to build upon those skills. If you're sitting there with a little one at home today. Do that to them, do that for them and give those that because it's very powerful to have those skills given to explain to you when you're young. And so how many times do we have people who are kind of like tidy room? You know, we yell to our kids? Of course we do. We're all do it? How do you interview and tidy with very normal thing, but do they actually know what that is? You know, if you're struggling with clutter, and you're struggling to go, I wouldn't even know where to start? Does an eight year old child know where to start when faced with a messy room, we need to break it down for them and say these are the things that you need to do in order to achieve a tidy room. And these are the benefits that are going to come with that. And then they can sort of start to learn. So yes, blame is too strong a word. But the fact that your parents did not teach it is very, very relevant. Yeah. But we can't look back. We can't bring that time back. So we need to start putting those foundations in place later in life. And we absolutely can do that for our children going forward. Right? Yeah. Yeah, I

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think so too. Let's see, I think but again, even if you want to teach your children, you need to make sure that you understand the knowledge, and the actions and the resets and all those things before you can teach your child. You need to get in control of your own stuff in your own house before because if you want if you're saying to a child, well, I'm going to tidy up your room and blah, blah, blah. But if you are completely out of control and chaotic and the rest of the house yourself, they're probably gonna go Hold on a minute, why is it suddenly me because Mum, you don't even you know, know what's going on to yourself. So I think it's really important to start with yourself. And it's the same thing with looking back at our childhood and our parents. They were also many of them for a completely different generation. Loads of people that when we look at our parents, we see a post war generation when there wasn't a lot of stuff when there's a whole make do and mend attitude, when everything was very expensive, and everything lasted much longer, and everything was you were able to repair it yourself and all of those things. It's changed over time so much as well with how we see stuff, how we deal with stuff, how we acquire stuff, and just putting everything on your parents and go, Well, they didn't told me so no wonder I'm a mess. It's not gonna get you anywhere, right? It's Yes, you can probably go on. That makes sense. Now maybe why I'm struggling at the moment. But then to just put the blame on on your parents, that's not going to work. It's not going to get you anywhere.

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Yeah. So I guess the conclusion that we come to this first half of the podcast, we're talking about people, because we like to blame other people for things that are happening in our lives don't waste. So the message here is, if you are projecting that blame back onto yourself that absolutely needs to stop here, right here right now. And if there's one thing that you take away from this podcast, is the most fundamental basic thing that you will learn in decluttering is draw a line in the sand and move forward, forget about the blame, it's not going to help you. Other people, you know, other people cause problems with blame, not playing ball, trying to sabotage your decluttering journey by giving you things when you don't want it, there's so many things that other people do, which is detrimental to our decluttering journey. Put, try and focus on the things that you can control rather than the things that you can't at this stage, and deal with those other things later. And, you know, in terms of looking back and looking at our parents, there's not really that much we can do with that other than recognize that that's a thing, something that we can then pass on to future generations, which is a great thing. But actually, we can still learn those things here. And now it's not, you know, kind of a lost cause. Because you weren't wasn't cut because you weren't taught that as a child, you absolutely can learn those skills here. And now. So Ingrid, we're gonna go about it's quite heavy, how's it quite heavy, I think it's relevant, because it's something that people really, really bothers people. So we're going to come back after the break out, we're going to talk about some more things that might be to blame for your clutter problem.

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Hello, everyone. Welcome back after your break, we're talking about what or who is to blame for your clutter. And we talked about other people and about yourself before the break. So let's talk at some other factors that we see with our clients, with our members in our communities. Lesley, lots of reasons why there's clutter, right? Yeah. And

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it's fair to say that some people have got more to deal with in life than others. Right. That that is that is that's a fact. You know, some people have got, you know, some people have got very hectic jobs, some people have got multiple children are caring for parents, people have got mental health issues, physical health issues, disabilities, all of these things are sent to try us. And all of these things, of course, do contribute towards our clutter problems sometimes. So let's break it down a little bit and try and is it fix it, we can't fix it or make some suggestions about how we can work around those things. So I wanted to talk a course about let's let's first talk about mental health and grit really, really important, very prevalent in our communities. So big deal for a lot of people, how do we work when we're on a decluttering journey around mental health issues?

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Yes, Lesley, mental health can really stop us in our tracks when we want to tackle our clutter and be on our decluttering journey. And I think crucial is when you're when you are struggling with your mental health is to really break it down and look at the energy that you do have during the day. And to really work with yourself. Instead of working against yourself. If you wake up in the morning, and you kind of already feel I've got a really tough day. I've just almost gotten out of the wrong side of the bed. If you know what I mean. I'm going to really struggle today. Don't expect yourself to do loads of decluttering and completely go over your energy levels and tie yourself out completely go you know what, unfortunately, today is not a day that it's looking good for me. I'm going to do the bare minimum at least that I can kind of have a cup of tea. Maybe if I'm lucky to do a lot of laundry, wash up a couple of cups so I can have a nice cup of tea, do the minimum and then see hopefully tomorrow I've got a little bit more energy to play with. So I can then do a tiny little bit more and really build put those building blocks in place and to inch forward slowly but surely. I

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think the problem is as well Ingrid is that you know when you're suffering with mental health, you never really know what's coming the next day right? So you can have all good intentions to do things then all of a sudden have a depressed depressive episode or you're feeling very anxious and it stops you from Lately in your tracks, I think that if you have blamed your mental health health issues on your clutter, which is very valid, of course it is. But we need to try and find a way through that. So how we're going to do that. So we've talked in, we've talked about breaking it down, we very much really need to see this as a long term process rather than short bursts. Because we can be forgiven for looking at decluttering as a whole, and thinking that we have to tackle it all at one go. So we need to strike that balance between, you know, we need to understand our own energy levels and what's likely to happen, we do need to push ourselves out of our comfort zone slightly. So we perhaps need to do more than we ordinarily have been doing, because we need to make these positive steps forward. But we need to mind Be mindful that we can't do this in the same way that other people potentially we've got all the things that are happening. And lots of people have got other things happening, you know, if it's not mental health is something else, you know what I mean? And so, but we've got to find that balance it to make, just to start making these mini steps forward all the time, because as soon as you start to make those mini steps forward, we can see things with a little bit more clarity. And that's the thing that's going to project you forward. And that's the important thing, isn't it? So mental health is a big one, we don't need to talk about all the different mental health things that stand in our way you know what they are? It's tricky, but blaming that. And we could get stuck forever with that with that. And if we want to fix that problem, we got to find a way to work with it, not against it as in itself. Yeah.

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Now, besides mental health issues, let's see, we also see a lot of physical health issues that stop people in their tracks, right? I mean, people who have fibromyalgia or who have me or struggling with any movements in their body, or whatever it is, it can be really difficult then to try and Declutter Your Home, especially, of course, if if items need to be moved around or carried or anything like that, then it's really can be something that you go, Well, you know, I can't do it, because I can't move around. Or I can only be on the sofa, there's loads of things that you can do when you struggle with men with physical health issues. But of course, let's be realistic. If if you find it really tricky to get out of your house, this is maybe the moment when you're going to have to ask for some help.

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Yeah, absolutely. You know, that help could be from a family member, it could be from a friend, it could be from a professional, you know, anybody, there's plenty of people out there who can help if you if you've got the ability to ask them, pay for them, whatever that is. So really evaluate it and see whether or not you can ask for help at the right time, the key is asking for help at the right time, we probably don't want to ask for help at the decluttering stage, we probably needs to be at the exit stage to logistics stage, that kind of thing. Because we weren't, you know, for most people, they want to go on that decluttering journey alone or with a professional who is going to help them come to the right decisions and things like that. So it's really important to kind of go How can I do this differently? You know, what is it that I've been doing? Where am I getting stuck? And how can I move through that process. So, so important. Now, mental health and physical health, typically, those are things that we are very, very self aware of. So we understand the way that mental health affects us, we understand the way that physical health or disabilities affect us. But one of the things that's much kind of newer at the moment is neuro diversity. So neuro diversity is something particularly particularly ADHD, which a lot of people are seeking diagnoses are coming to the realization that perhaps that's something that's affecting them at the moment. It's all about that self awareness. And once we become aware that something like ADHD, or ASD, or OCD or all of these different things that we have, once you have that awareness about how that is going to impact your decluttering journey, then you can start to really make tracks to start to find a way to, again to work with that to get the best result. So we've got mental health issues, we've got physical health issues, we've got neurodiversity, all of those kinds of health, body and mind things are there to cause those issues for sure they do causes issues, are they to blame? Possibly, you know, to mean, but ultimately, we live with those things every day. So we've got to find a way around them to get through those clutter problems. There's no point in going well, I can't do that because I've got ADHD or I can't do that because I you know, I'm in a wheelchair, we've got to find a way to around these things to to fix the problem, right, that's going to ultimately make our wellbeing so much better in the long run.

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Yeah, I think and I think that's it, Lesley, I think we only see sometimes when you're overwhelmed with clutter, you see the short term and you can't because you can't see the long term benefits. You have to really invest Energy time, possibly money or whatever it is. So for the long term, you can see the benefits. But in the beginning that's really tricky to see is you have to kind of invest. While you might not see the changes overnight yet. And I think that's when a lot of people give up and go, you see, I can't do it, or you see, this is not working for me or whatever. And it's like just cling on a little bit longer Hang in there, you're not going to change things, if you've been doing for a long time, or health issues that you struggled with for a long time, they're not going to disappear overnight, they're not going to change overnight. But you have to kind of break it down. And that's why it's so important to really, you know, try not give up after a week of trying really hard and go, You know what new week, I'm going to keep trying because I know I need to I'm doing this for me and for myself.

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I think it's really interesting, because whenever we whenever we talk about, you know, sort of mental or physical health issues, or neurodiversity, in fact, it can be easy for us, you know, we've talked about this for probably two or three minutes. And it seems so the way that we describe it seems as if well, oh, it's fine, you know, just get over it kind of thing. And that's not what we're saying at all, we recognize very much a lots of people in our communities that are struggling. And we need to kind of find a way through these. But I guess the message here is it can be overcome, because we've seen lots of people with the right mindset. And with the right attitude to the kind of the pace, that's what it's all about. It's about how do I get the pace, right to make sure that in a long term basis, this is going to be fixed, and the clutter is going to, you know, disappear, and I'm going to have a better life going forward. So that's what it's about. So we've skipped through mental and physical health issues, and neurodiversity. And we know that it's very complex. But there is light at the end of the tunnel, I think is what we're trying to say. Yeah. Ingrid, what else causes us problems? What else can we blame for our clutter?

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Well, I think it's just overall being busy in life, right? I mean, we're all busy people. On the one hand, we all you know, most of us volunteer or have jobs, carers, kids, responsibilities, parents, or a big friendship group that's really important for us, or we need to do studying or we work and we study and we take care of other people. You know, we cram our lives absolutely filled to the brim with all the things that we think we sometimes maybe have to do, or maybe one to do. But it just leaves very little time to do everything, anything else. And I think we can easily go well, I'm clutter because you know, I'm just always very busy. I'm never at home, or I work 10 hours today. But you know what less the the thing is, we all have to save 24 hours in the day, right? We need to be realistic. It's just how you spend your time. And of course, a big chunk of also our time goes on to work, because we love what we do we spend a lot of time on it. But that still means that in the times that we're not working, things have to be done.

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I think it's about shifting your priorities and focus. And so you know, English, right, you know, and, and again, it can seem like we've all got the same 24 hours. And if you're kind of huffing and puffing and thinking, yeah, no, but that person's 24 hours is not the same as mine in terms of what I've got to cram into it, and the responsibilities that we have. But you have to reframe your focus into prioritizing decluttering if that's something that you know, ultimately is going to be life changing for you, we know it can be life changing, you probably have a suspicion that it can be life changing. And you may not have got there yet and just know that it's something that you feel needs to be done, it will be life changing, and a lot of that busyness and time that you are kind of wasting probably on doing chores, spending longer doing the washing up, all of those kind of things that are happening, the time will start to get much shorter once your home gets in control. So ultimately, you've got to put the table of reshift things now temporarily, to then put the building blocks in place to save yourself time and to become less busy later. And so, but it's not something that you if you're you know, if you've only got like, six hours that you can sleep and the rest of the time, you're like, literally I have no time to do anything. You got to find it. It's got to come from somewhere because you can't go on a transformational journey without investing time and energy sadly, and that's the truth of the matter. So, but we know that it does, all of a sudden you realize how much time you've been wasting, trying to find things, trying to tidy things trying to clean around things, trying to all of those things, shouting at people because there's you know, clutter in the house all of those things and once you have a calmer home, everything starts to fit into place a little bit more and everything feels a little bit less than busy or less time pressured or angered. You

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know, unless the that we had the perfect example in our membership. Just just a couple of days ago, I read it and I thought, Oh, wow, how fabulous. So one of our members, I think her car had to go to like the MOT or something, which is like a yearly check. And she said, I just can't believe it. I came home from the MOT, the MOT certificate is filed, she because she spent a lot of she's just really put her decluttering and organizing first over the past nine months to a year. And she said, I am now seeing all of the benefits, you should I had the paperwork ready, I know where to put stuff, I know where the certificate went, I know when I've made a note in my diary for when I have to do next year, my mot again, I now have the paperwork, and I can start looking at my car insurance. So all of the building blocks that she put in place that a year ago, she couldn't even have thought about, she's now suddenly gone. This is amazing. But she put the time in, and she's paying, she's seeing the rewards of all of that work. Now, coming back to her tenfold. And this is the reason why Lesley, we're still doing podcasts, we're still gets so enthusiastic about decluttering. And organizing. Because we know the massive difference it makes in people's lives and how much more you can get out of the of your life that you have, when you don't spend time looking for stuff and doing chores. And because everything takes longer when they're when there's loads of water. I

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think it's about kind of reframing your thoughts? Isn't it Ingrid into something positive? Like who's gonna I mean, mean, you were like, you know, we sat here for like, the last 13 years being waxing lyrical about decluttering. Because we know what it can bring. But you know, somebody who's out there, I was like, I know, you're very enthusiastic about Ingrid, unless they but I really, I'm not feeling it quite in the way, you know, it looks like a mammoth task, right? And so, but it's about reframing it into something positive. And you can only do that by breaking it down. I know, we sound like a broken record, but you've got to break it down. But first and foremost, you've got to stop blaming everything, everything around you, every person around you, every thing that's happening in your life and go, that's my life, can't do anything about it. But I want to do something about this clutter. So how am I going to make this work? So it's all about reframing that thought process into making it something positive. Because in the end, it's going to reap those rewards. So, so important. So even though this podcast has got a lot of things kind of in it, and I'm sure a lot of people are like raising their eyes, and they've got no idea about what my life is like we kind of do, because we've seen it many, many times. We know everyone's got different things. But we know everybody, regardless of circumstance, will make positive changes based on the decluttering and or organization within that home.

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Now, Lesley, you've talked about all of these positive things that you can do, but it's all nice, no, well, but how do people do that? Well, that is exactly why we set up the membership. We help people who say to us, but we've never been taught how to declutter and organize. We never know what we're doing. There's no plan here. We don't know how to maintain our homes. We don't know actually, we actually don't even know how to declutter and how you organize now you categorize. This is the reason why we set up the membership. So if you've been listening to this podcast, and I think it yourself, you know what, yeah, I do need to take responsibility. For my culture, I need to take responsibility for my situation I want to change, come into our membership. Come and join us even as a monthly or quarterly member, you don't even have to join us as an annual member, but come and learn from us. We can teach you how to make these changes in your home, we can help you make a difference we can help you to get more out of the life that you want to live so you can live it joyfully and in the with the things that you want to do and that you enjoy having around you. So if you want to know more, check us out on members multicultural health.com. But for now, let us know as this podcast makes you think. Share your thoughts with us. Are you going to take more responsibility for your clutter? We would love to know leave us a comment. And of course, don't forget to hit that subscribe or follow button. So we are going to pop into your notifications with a brand new podcast again next week. So thank you so much for listening, and we'll see you soon.

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Paula says:

6 April 2024 at 3:31 PM

I know who’s to blame. Me. Yes, Dad was a hoarder but Mom was organized and things were clean and neat. Did I choose or just slide into the easier path? Has life given me difficult times? Of course it has and I’ve worked hard to overcome challenges and those difficulties. When I’m feeling overwhelmed and negative I try to move forward. This decluttering of my home is painful mentally and even physically sometimes.. it needs to be done. I desperately need to win this battle. That’s my little pep talk to me this morning. Yay me.

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1. Ingrid Jansen says:
  
  9 April 2024 at 10:25 AM
  
  Thank you for sharing Paula and well done for sticking with the decluttering. We know how hard it is so give yourself plenty of pep talks to keep moving forward. We hope our lovely community, podcast, facebook group, social posts and our membership can help you.
  
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