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Episode 223 – How to declutter your home – the 6 steps for success

At the beginning of the new year the one thing on people's minds when it comes to clutter is what exactly do I need to be successful. We believe we have the answer and in today's podcast we are going to share the 6 steps we believe are critical for decluttering success.
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[00:00:00] Ingrid: At the beginning of the new year. The one thing on people's minds when it comes to clutter is what exactly do I need to be successful? We believe we have the answer, and in today's podcast we're going to share the six steps we believe are critical. For decluttering success.

[00:00:20] Lesley: It's a very big moment in the decluttering calendar, isn't it? Ingrid 2023, the beginning of the new year, everyone is raring to go with those New Year's resolutions and things.

[00:00:31] And we are lucky because we are right slap bang in the middle of a New Year's challenge. So if you've not signed up yet, why not? You need to be in it to. Well, it's nothing to win, but it just kind of rolls off a tongue, isn't it? In it to win it, but you need to be in it to make progress. Can you find out all about all these lovely things that we're talking about today on the podcast?

[00:00:50] And so we just thought, let's start the new year and get, let's get things back to basics. Over the last 12, 13 years at Ingrid and I have been professional organisers. What do we think are the critical things that you need for success? And we're going to list them out one by one and tell you a few little nuggets along the way of things that you might want to tweak and change to make it happen.

[00:01:11] 2023 is going to be the year isn't 

[00:01:13] Ingrid: Ingrid? Yes. So before we start, Lesley, I wanted to say Happy New Year to everyone. I mean, I think you can still say that on Friday the sixth. Right? Happy New Year. So yes, listen. And when 

[00:01:25] Lesley: do people stop saying that? You know, you get this awkward thing when you've never spoke to somebody, don't you, for a few weeks and then people are still saying Happy New Year on the 20th or 21st.

[00:01:34] How bet you still quite happy to say it in February. I'm kind of done by about now. I'm like, okay, now. No, we don't want to say Happy New year now, but that's just me being miserable. That's per usual. And you've been all happy clappy, and you are like, oh, spoken to you in 2023 here. 

[00:01:49] Ingrid: Yes. Anyway, I know. You know me.

[00:01:50] So Well, and I don't think you're miserable at all, Lesley. I think you're just more like, right. Okay. It's It's done. We're in it now. Let's do this. 

[00:02:00] Lesley: Exactly. So let's get cracking. Yeah. We've got a lot to do. We've got a lot to get through. So let's talk about the most important things that we think you need for Decla Twin success this year.

[00:02:08] This year, and any year. And at any point that you decide to do something. Number one on our list is, Inspiration. We need inspiration from people to give us ideas to make sure that we're learning all the time. Where do we find that inspiration from Ingrid? 

[00:02:23] Ingrid: Well, I think we find it from different places. I mean, I think people watch a lot of YouTube videos.

[00:02:28] They look at magazines. They scroll on Instagram and see all these beautiful pictures of houses. Maybe you are a Pinterest lover and you love seeing all the ideas in in other people's lives. So there's lots of ways we can be inspired. 

[00:02:45] Lesley: Yes, Ingrid. There's so many ways to be inspired and there's so many people trying to inspire us, which is an absolutely brilliant thing.

[00:02:52] But what do we think about the fact that we might have tons and tons and tons of people all trying to get us to inspire us in different ways? What do we think about that? 

[00:03:01] Ingrid: Well, On the first instance, it sounds great, doesn't it? Like, ooh, I'm going to try that, I'm going to follow that, I'm going to do that. But then the problem is we get a complete information, overwhelmed, don't we?

[00:03:13] Because the thing is, everybody shares something different with you. Some people say, oh, decant all your, um, cereals and your pasts in, in, in beautiful containers, and label them and other people go, no, don't even worry about that. Just do it in your cupboard and make sure you find it and use it. And other people go, roll your socks and your knickers and other people go, no, just make sure you put it all in the drawer because then you can find it.

[00:03:38] He kept conflicting information. 

[00:03:40] Lesley: Yeah. It's that. That's one of the big problems when we, when we immerse ourselves in the declaim world, and at the moment, even if we're not immersing ourself in that world, there's lots of things coming in. Our pathway isn't there because lots of people are talking about it right now, which is absolutely brilliant, and all of these ideas are fantastic, but the difference is you, so what you've got to work out is how does this.

[00:04:00] Fit into my way of doing things, into what I typically know about myself and how I can implement it, how much time I've gotten, how meticulous I'm going to be and things like that. So whilst everything looks incredible, you still need to work it out. In your life, you know, how does that fit into your life?

[00:04:17] That's the, that's the mistake that we see. And people jump around, don't they? Ingrid? And so sometimes when we see this inspiration, we jump from one inspirational post to another and we don't get to the point of execution, which is really important. So let's talk about execution. That's a bit of a strong word, execution, isn't it?

[00:04:35] Dispute, 

[00:04:36] Ingrid: let's call it implementation, and Lesley, 

[00:04:38] Lesley: let's call it implementation. Exactly, and the execution seems quite strong. I dunno where that came from, but anyway, but we know what we mean. So let's talk about implementation. This is something that often gets missed out, isn't it? And it's obviously, it's very, very critical.

[00:04:53] We actually need to do the doing to get stuff done. 

[00:04:58] Ingrid: You know what Lesley, it's so easy to go, okay, I am going to, um, set some time aside, and then other things happen, and then that half an hour or that hour or that well-meaning time, I plan to get some decaling done, gets left out because life gets in the way and then we move it forward and move it forward.

[00:05:17] And we don't actually put the time in a diary and go. This is when I'm going to work on my house and on my clutter. And what ha what, what we see a lot is that like we jump from one YouTube video to one checklist to the other, and one we flick through magazine and get inspired here and there. It's also with implementation.

[00:05:36] It's like, okay, oh, they're doing a, a challenge over there. It's free. Let me sign up. Or, oh, they're doing, they're giving something away there, or they're doing a working together day and we jump on all these different bandwagons. But everybody teaches their own system and their own way of doing things.

[00:05:52] And what we're saying is you need to use this time for implementation to actually get the work done and to put in practice, put the hours in, put the time in, because that's the only way you're going to get out of clutter. Yeah. You know, 

[00:06:09] Lesley: it's interesting. In 20 22, 1 of the things that we, um, introduced into the membership, uh, was success sessions.

[00:06:16] It's something that we wanted to do for a while. It just took us a little while to get 'em off the ground. And now we have two or three a week every week, don't we? And we, we. Basically what we do is we come together with a group of people, go onto Zoom, commit 50 minutes of work and get something done.

[00:06:31] And that can be any number of things kind of Ingrid. It can be a decluttering project. It can be a reset, a morning reset. It can be doing some paperwork, doing some shredding, doing some learning. It can be any of those things, but honestly, just committing the hour. And having the accountability to know that you have to turn up at a certain time is absolutely critical to people's success, isn't it?

[00:06:52] Yeah. And it really has kind of turned the dial on people's implementation. Yeah. And the progress that they are making. So something as simple as that. You know, obviously within our membership we have, you know, scheduled success sessions. You know, in our, uh, podcast every week we will have. Um, we, we will ask you what are you going to do this weekend?

[00:07:12] And hopefully you can implement something that you have learned out of our podcast. In our challenges, we will give people daily homework. And so there's a little bit of something that people need to do to implement what they have learned because we can get stuck at the kind of learning and inspirational part of things and never get to the implementation.

[00:07:29] So we really need to get that job done, don't 

[00:07:31] Ingrid: we? Yes. And I think that's when. People actually set the time aside to do something. Then they start to get those, those wins, those, oh, I did that drawer, I did that shelf. Oh, I can actually find my topware Now I actually know that I've got a, a tin of soup in my cupboard that I don't need to buy another one.

[00:07:51] They start to get those wins because they work on that. Implementation critical. A key step in your 

[00:07:58] Lesley: success. Absolutely. Now, you alluded to the fact, Ingrid, that there are lots of different types of decluttering advice out there, which is true, all of which are fantastic of course. Do you know what I mean?

[00:08:10] And certain we have our own way of doing things here as well at the declutter hub, which hopefully if you're listening that you like the sound of that. But I think it's really important for you to. Work out fairly early on in your decluttering journey. If you're committed to a decluttering journey, what you need to do is, is obviously go out there and, you know, do your shopping, you know, go and have a look and go, okay, what are the different options out here?

[00:08:32] Um, there's this person, there's that person, there's this YouTube video, there's this membership, there's this podcast, whatever that might be, and look and see what really resonates with you. Where do you feel like, where do you connect? It's really important that. You jump into a system that connects with you, that you understand that feels like it's the right fit for you.

[00:08:52] because what we've seen so many times that, you know, we've been doing this a long time, is that people flip from one system to another, never quite working out what they should be doing or. Try and work with two or three systems at the same time, and then it's kind of come, be confusing. And so it's almost like a case of where you need to find your lane, which is the, the difficult bit sometimes, isn't it?

[00:09:16] Find the people that are going to, uh, gel with you and then stick to your lane and then take out all the noise almost, you know? So if you, if you decide on one system that's going to work for you, Commit to that system and don't worry about all the other stuff. You know, you can come back to it later, you know, of course to kind of fine tune things.

[00:09:35] But you know, if you're really going through a decluttering journey, we, we think it's really important, don't we? Because we see. People, even within our, not, not within our membership. Cause once people come in, our membership, they're completely committed to our system. Um, and this is not us saying we are the best system.

[00:09:48] Not at all. We're just saying we have members that connect with us because of the way that we teach. And so if you're not familiar with us, we are very much about the emotions and habits that sit behind the clutter. So towards the stuff, getting rid of the stuff, letting go of stuff that you no longer need.

[00:10:04] Is almost a byproduct of decluttering. And what we want to do is get to the, to the core emotions and habits that have held us back for many, many years. So typically the people that we work with that work best with us are those that have, that have any rational holding onto things that may have suffered with clutter for many, many years, or have had some kind of traumatic experience that has meant that the clitoris got out of control all of a sudden.

[00:10:28] So those are the, those are the our best fit people, aren't they? Ingrid? And so, But that's a certain way of doing things. And there are many people out there who are like, you know what, I'm just a busy person. Uh, I'm never getting around to this, and I just need to, to wipe the slate clean and move on. And I don't find these diff these decisions difficult.

[00:10:45] And so it's about finding that right fit, isn't it? Yes, 

[00:10:49] Ingrid: I think the right fit is crucial when you're decluttering, but you can also relate it to other areas of your life as well. You know, you, you know, when you're in the right job around the nice colleagues, you know, when you feel good with, um, maybe a hobby that you do and the friends you hang out with.

[00:11:06] I think a decluttering journey is the same thing. You need to find the people that you think I like them. They're, I feel, Happy with them. I think I want to listen to them. I trust their expertise. I trust what they're saying to me. I trust their process. And I think that all comes part of that learning. because I think when you trust the people that you're working with, the learning will go in because you go, okay, I might have never done it before like that, but I.

[00:11:31] Ingrid and Lesley have been doing this for a very, very long time. They've helped so many people, they know what they're talking about and I really want to do it my way, but I'm going to listen to them now and I'm going to follow their system and I'm going to take all the learning in. And that's when we see the success happen as well.

[00:11:48] Lesley: And I think, you know, just talk about the three things that we've spoken about. Already in inspiration, implementation, and learning. I think it's really important that the learning part actually happens, because I think that sometimes, and I, you know, we've all done it where we buy into a program, we buy a course, we sign up for something, and we almost feel that just the purchase of the thing is going to make it happen for us.

[00:12:10] So I've donate like a million times. So no judgment here. But you know, actually we have to do it. We have to do the learning. We have to understand the system. And we also, you know, it's also really important to, to, to make sure that the kind of teaching that's happening within a membership, within a podcast, whatever is suitable for you.

[00:12:29] You know, we've got people who are like, you know, A podcast doesn't suit me. I prefer to read. And so then we've got our blogs and so, you know, different things work well with different people. Some people like bite size things. Some people like things that are a little bit deeper. Some people are very motivated by our q and a.

[00:12:44] Some people love our member challenges, and so people are motivated by different types of learning, which is why we try and spread, you know, we try and have a lot of different types of tools that are going to resonate with different people. Yeah, yeah. But it's really, really important to, to work out what kind of learning suits you.

[00:13:00] To do the learning and then to implement what you have learned. And so it's all very interconnected, isn't it? You can't have one without the other, really. Mm-hmm. But the learning is key. And what we find sometimes is that a lot of people, Don't do the learning bit of it and just think that's what I'm going to do, but I'm still going to do what I've always done.

[00:13:21] And then we think that you're always going to get what you've always got. You need to be open to change, I think, don't you? Yeah. 

[00:13:27] Ingrid: I think Lesley, I think the bottom line is we want to affect change in people's mindsets. Yeah. That's the long-term goal that we want to happen within our membership with our members.

[00:13:41] We want them to go, oh, wow. I had never looked at it this way. It, it, it, it goes so much deeper than indeed putting something you no longer want in a bin back to declutter or to give away to donate or whatever it is. We want to change mindsets with people and I think that is what makes us. Tick tick, doesn't it?

[00:14:03] Lesley: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. It does. Yeah. We, we, and, and you have to go deeper into that learning to get that, but I wanted to talk a little bit about something else that that really helps people in our, you know, particularly in our podcast and our challenges really. And then in sometimes in our member videos and show rounds and things like that is light bulb moments.

[00:14:21] We love a light bulb moment, and these are the things where you are like, oh yeah, of course. So you just hear something and you think, I've never thought about it in that way before, but that can be kind of life-changing, but it can be quite impactful. And so I think these little light bulb moments are really critical to success because there are so many people who go.

[00:14:41] What changed things for you? It was that day when somebody said that thing and I went. Oh yes, I get it now. So light bulb moments are really critical, aren't they as well? 

[00:14:53] Ingrid: You know what, Lesley, my favorite thing is when our listeners, when our Facebook group members, when the people that are in our world email us and go, I've been following you girls for a while and you talked about this, that, or the other, or, I saw a post on Instagram or in your Facebook group, and it resonated with me so much and I loved it.

[00:15:12] And suddenly it all started to make sense to me. And those are like, you know, Those are the emails we love. We love to receive, don't we, Lesley? When we really kind of go, they've had a light bulb moment. How amazing is that? And I think when you have those, you get a more positive outlook on. I can do this.

[00:15:33] I feel I can do this, and I'm feeling positive about it, and I'm going to give myself on a pat on the back. I do it all the time. When we have our success sessions as well with our members, I'm like, yes, you've let's, we've worked together for 50 minutes. Give yourself a pat on the back. Well done. And in the beginning, everybody's been like, Matt, ourselves on the back looking around going, what are we?

[00:15:53] But now they're like, yeah, we did it. Let's do this. Come on. And it's such a positive way to either. Start, finish, or be in the middle of a day to give yourself that. I did that. Come on. Great. 

[00:16:05] Lesley: Exactly. So I love a light bulb moment. So let's to recap the four that we've done already. So we've talked about inspiration.

[00:16:12] You need to get that inspiration from magazines, implementation. Super, super critical learning. You actually need to do, find the right learning and do the learning, and then take those light bulb moments on board. Now I want to talk about the next one on our Our steps, Ingrid, which is consistency. I think consistency is so important, isn't it?

[00:16:30] Because. Quite often when peop when people view a decluttering project, it is as data, it is as a project and not as a process. So we are very behind the idea that sadly, decluttering is a permanent cycle of things that we have to do and it never ends. It gets a lot easier, it gets, it gets simpler. We incorporate it into our lives much more.

[00:16:51] But we need to be consistent and we need to understand that this doesn't go away and it's not a one-off thing. And I think, you know, so many people consider it to be. I'm doing my kitchen this weekend, and that's me job done. Do you know what I mean? And I'll do it again in a year's time, which may well be the case.

[00:17:07] But if you do a little bit often, like Ingrid and I very rarely do big decluttering projects do we, because we're always chipping away at it. And so we never get to that stage where it's like, oh, I need to go back into the garage and do that again. You know, because we've, we've always continually seen a shelf as we walk into the garage and go in.

[00:17:25] Actually that needs a little bit of a tidy up. Let's just do that one shelf rather than the whole thing, and it becomes this mammoth project. And consistency is also important when it comes to daily resets and keeping on top of things and maintenance as well, isn't 

[00:17:37] Ingrid: it? I think it's, I think it's crucial.

[00:17:40] I think what a lot of people get stuck on because they get stuck on that overwhelm and feeling so overwhelmed. I'm feeling so overwhelmed, I don't know where to start. And in their mind they go, I just need to tackle that room. And then everything is going to be fine, but we then forget that actually that room that needs maintenance, it needs resetting to make sure it doesn't fall back.

[00:18:00] To how it was, and I was actually watching a television program and somebody said they had a really messy, uh, dining room table, and the lady said, oh, it always comes back like that. Well, yes, if you don't tidy up your dining room table or your kitchen table or your kitchen counter, Every day and leave it and leave it and leave it.

[00:18:19] Then after a week and a half, it looks like it's an absolute total mess and nothing, and then it's going to take you a long time to set it all straight. Well, if you do something like a kitchen reset every day, two times five or 10 minutes while you're loading and loading the dishwasher, and you're tidying up around the, the, the sites and everything.

[00:18:38] Just a little bit of time on a daily basis. It doesn't amount to so much stuff that then needs to be, becomes a whole lot. Oh gosh. It's all build up again. It's going to take me hours to set it all straight, and I think that's what a lot of people just don't realize that those daily bits are really important, that maintenance.

[00:18:58] Lesley: Absolutely. So consistency, really, really important. You know, get these habits firmly in your mind, in your mindset. Do them every day, and then it becomes a much simpler job. And that's what we all want. We don't want it to be this mammoth thing that overwhelms us all of our life. That's what we're trying to avoid.

[00:19:15] Yeah. Now I want to talk about community a little bit, Ingrid, because. We, we, we, we are big on community. Okay? You are in here, you'll listen to the podcast, you're in the Facebook group. You're possibly a member. You've done one of our challenges and there is absolutely a sense of community within each of those components of, of what we teach and our, our community in fact.

[00:19:34] And so community is to us is everything now. People view community in different ways and utilize communities in different ways. Some people go all in, don't they, and are like, love this community. I'm going to, you know, share everything, wear my heart on my sleeve a little bit, show people what I'm working on, go deep with the sharing of the before and after photos.

[00:19:54] And that's what some people need out of a community. There are other people that are much quieter in the community. Ingrid and I are both in communities or uh, you know, obviously in our own community it's different, but we are in kind of business communities and and stuff. And I get a sense that I'm in that community, but I don't post in there.

[00:20:12] I barely put a comment on what people are saying, but I still say it. I'm still inspired by it. And I still look and I still feel part of that community. So being part of a community doesn't necessarily need to mean that you go all in. It's just feel, you know, reading about what other people are thinking and seeing that you're amongst like-minded people and feeling that it's a safe space for you to be able to exist, however that is, whether it is you wearing on your heart, wearing your heart on your sleeve, or whether it's you being a little bit more quiet about it and, and quietly getting on with it in the background and just seeing it.

[00:20:44] So community is different things isn't, it's to different people. Ingrid. 

[00:20:46] Ingrid: Yeah. I think some people, you know, they, they, they contact us on a regular basis, especially when they're in our membership. They ask questions, they post in our forum. They, they show up at the live sessions. They need that kind of, uh, also that accountability better also need to.

[00:21:02] Feel they're part of something bigger and they love hanging out with the other members. While some of, uh, the people in our community are like, you know what, I'm, I'm here. I'm doing my learning. I'm pottering away. I show up occasionally. I love hanging out with you guys. I occasionally drop in a question, but I'm a bit more on the background, but they're still doing the learning and they feel they're part of something bigger, and I think that's what we, I think.

[00:21:28] We hope that we've created. I think we know, but it's kind of like we don't want to sound like, oh yeah, look at us. But I think we've created something that's bigger than us and the members and the group. I think it's a safe space. And you mentioned the safe space and I think that's the thing for me, really important and for both of us, really important that people feel they can share and that the space they, they can do that in is a safe space.

[00:21:54] Lesley: Yeah, I think it's interesting for us because what we, you know, particularly in our membership where we're there, you know, every day trying to help people with very specific circumstances. I think what we, what we love and what we like and what we want, um, is that we want people to share things with us.

[00:22:11] And the reason why we want that is because the more. People share their journeys and their woes and their pictures and their struggles and their wins with ours, the more that we can give direct input. So if someone's a little bit quieter, it's harder for us to give our our inputs. Um, but that's ours and that's what we want, and that's not necessarily what somebody else wants.

[00:22:32] And so we kind of come to realize that, and we, and we're getting so many emails now, aren't we? From people who are like, you know, I just watch and I see, and I, you know, and I don't need that part of it. So not everybody needs that. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And so we, because they're learning that we spoke about before in a very different way.

[00:22:48] Yeah. So yeah. Community we think is super important because I think you need that validation to know, you know, if you've struggled and been judged or felt ashamed, which many of the people in our communities do, it's nice to be around other people who feel the same things that you feel. Mm-hmm. And so it doesn't mean that they need to be a best friend, but it just means that you need to feel that sense of connection with other people.

[00:23:09] And I think that's what's really important. So, 

[00:23:12] Ingrid: Ingrid, we have 

[00:23:13] Lesley: done a whistle stop tour of the six things that we truly believe make for a successful decluttering journey. Mm-hmm. Um, We have all of those things in all, I think of our, um, communities, because we've got several communities all existing in different places.

[00:23:31] We've got our free communities with our, um, Facebook group and our podcast, and we are very, very committed to putting out free content as well. Every week, every week we'll be here with our free podcast every week. We will be in the Facebook group every week because we understand that not everybody can invest or go that next step further.

[00:23:50] Um, but then of course we have our paid communities as well, and that's where we really hone our craft and we really go all in with you guys to try and help you to get to that next step, don't we? So we, we look at all those things and we consider those. We have what we call in our membership, our three pillars of success.

[00:24:07] Um, and they are. Combined things that we've just spoken about in the six pillars. So we have inspiration and implementation is one of our pillars. Learning and light bulb moment is one of our pillars and community and consistency is our pillars. And that is what props up the Dec Hub membership, isn't it Ingrid?

[00:24:23] Ingrid: Yes. And we absolutely adore our membership and we would love for you if you think to yourself, okay, 2023. This is going to be my year, or I've done, I dabbled a little bit in decluttering last year, but now I'm really ready to take that next step. Come and join us, check out our membership. We are here for you.

[00:24:44] We've got everything for you. We've got accountability, we've got learning, we've got videos, we've got live sessions. We've got our, um, amazing roadmap. We've got a fantastic, um, forum where we chat with each other. We've got. Everything here that you need to be successful with your decluttering. So come and have a look@members.declutterhub.com to look at everything that we offer and we'd love to help you too.

[00:25:11] Lesley: Yeah, exactly. And sometimes, you know, when you, when you are already feeling overwhelmed, um, with clutter sometimes to hear that there's roadmaps and library courses and q and as and forums and member challenges and all of the things that we do. As we said earlier on when we were talking about learning, what we try and do is we try and make sure that we've got different tools that appeal to different people.

[00:25:34] Yeah, yeah. Now, In our membership, you don't need to work like 40 hours a week on. It can seem an overwhelming amount of things and for for sure when you first come into the membership you're like, wow, there's a lot of stuff. But what we try and do and what we try and create that is a way that you can go through your decluttering journey at your pace in your way so you don't have to do all of the things Gusta.

[00:25:59] Cause that would be like way too much, wouldn't it? You know, we're in memberships as well and you know, we. See the way the, the, the kind of things that people are doing and you just have to do it in your own way and, and take from it what appeals to you. That's the important thing, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. So of course at the moment, um, we'd love you to join our membership, you know, let 2023 be the year that you don't, you don't want to be, did you think about this in 2022?

[00:26:21] And you're still in the same position If that's you and you're like, I wanted to do in 2022 and it didn't happen. And here I am again in 2023. You know, try and give yourself that boost of implementation, inspiration, community consistency, learning and light bulbs. I've got them all in there, Ingrid, I think.

[00:26:36] Um, and coming to our membership, we do have a special offer on this week because we are running our Reset Your Home Challenge. So we've got our challenge offer on, which is on that members dot dec hub.com page, and. We will save you that money and then some in a heartbeat with the kind of things that you learn and the way that your mindset will change and the way that you will attack your clutter and live with less going 

[00:26:59] Ingrid: forwards.

[00:27:00] Yes, we would like for you that to happen, so come and join us. We would love to see you and yes, Lesley 2023. We're, we're, we're, we're in just a couple of days. Ah, I'm, I'm ready for it. I'm sorry. 

[00:27:16] Lesley: We know it was a bit scary was when, so when we started, uh, so we, we kind of have all our podcast notes and stuff like that in folders.

[00:27:23] And so what I saw is we've now got six folders going from 2018 to 2023. I'm like six years of. I know it's not exactly six years, cause we started at the end of 2018. It's the beginning of 2023, but it spans six years, which is quite scary and quite long. We're getting really old now, Ingrid, aren't we?

[00:27:41] We'll still be here in 

[00:27:42] Ingrid: 2024. Well, I'm going to be 50 this year, Lesley, so I don't know what's going to happen, but I'm hopefully, I'm, I, I can kind of hold myself together for this year. But yes. I mean, you know. Amazing. Yo, this is podcast episode 223, so six years of podcasts with lots of advice for everybody to listen to freely.

[00:28:06] Um, but yeah, yeah. We're, we're just, we're just keeping going. Lesley, getting old. Maybe a bit gray, maybe wrinkly. But we are here for you back in 2023 with lots of other great stuff to come. So yeah. So next week, let's talk about next week, because we're back as per usual, and we've got an amazing guest.

[00:28:26] Next week we've got Simon Glenfield. He is the. Owner of a place for everything. And, uh, it's a fantastic company with amazing storage solutions and we're going to talk about the latest trends in storage and, and, and organising. So I can't wait. Excellent. So Lesley, thank you and thank you everyone. Happy New Year.

[00:28:45] Enjoy your weekend. That's coming up and thanks for listening in.
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